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I feel almost the exact same way about Don :) Lat year I had a dream in which I sat next to him on a plane and I kissed him. :o:p


The episode was as good as Charlie Brooker said it was! :)I cheered for Don last night getting his mojo back and screwing PPL. I cheered for Price too- the scene in which the London office screamed that he was sacked and he replied "Right, then" was fantastic :) I LOVED it when Peggy simply said no to Roger's asking her to get the coffee.

Servalan, I thought the strongest scene was between Peggy and Don. I was happy Peggy didn't go to PPL or Duck, and that she had the strength to tell Don that he had been taking her for granted and using her to dump his problems. Don's admission to her that he would try to hire her for the rest of his life was very moving, and perfectly played. They clearly understand each other, and there's a lot of unspoken love between them (I don't think for a moment though they would ever start a romantic relationship).

Servalan and Tennisman, you've both made excellent points about Betty. Even if the kiRAB have to stay in school, leaving them for six weeks with Carla is low, and bound to traumatize them further. Why couldn't they stay with their father while she was getting her divorce, especially since Don said he wouldn't fight Betty? I still can't see why Henry is committing so much to Betty so soon, even going to Reno with her and the baby. It's surprising that Betty exclaimed to the lawyer that she and Henry weren't "like that"- what is Henry getting out of committing to her? Perhaps she is trying to be the good girl who doesn't cheat on her husband; leave him for another man, perhaps, but only because her husband is *bad* and she is in love in a pure Mills and Boon kind of way. Henry may be respecting her wish not to be sordid but he's already paying a very high price to go along with her fantasies. She isn't fooling Don though: she *was* building her life raft all along, just like Pete was.

I also relished Pete's comment while they were trying to negociate with him: "I want to hear it from him", pointing at Don, and forcing Don to say how much Pete was appeciated. :rolleyes:

A wonderful episode- I only wish one more person was called while Roger and Don were stripping the offices. I kept saying to the TV, "Call Sal! Where's Sal?!" I really hope that when series 4 starts we see Sal running the art department at Sterling Cooper Draper Price.
 
I thought Don looked so sexy in his pyjamas with his hair a little dishevelled - oh yes I would!

I was wondering whether he's going to start something with that young teacher - sadly one tenRAB to wonder that now whenever Don has any interaction with an attractive female.

How will poor Sally feel at new baby boy not only getting Granpa Gene's room, but also his name? at first I couldn't understand why Don was reluctant to have him named that, but at the end of the episode that occurred to me. Maybe they'll call the little boy Scotty, from his middle name ...

It would do Peggy good to leave SC, where people will still always think of her as a secretary made good. I wonder if she'll jump ship?
 
I felt a bit sorry for Peggy, she thought she was standing up for Joan and women as a whole, but Joan decided to offload the grief from her personal issues onto her!
 
Did anyone think, when it was mentioned that Rachel had gone on a cruise and then that Don wasn't joining Betty for Thanksgiving, that this was a plan to run away together? Obviously that wasn't the case but the programme is so subtle that I find myself analysing every little thing when watching.
 
Ah crap. I'll guess I'll just have wait for the DVRAB. I get the DVRAB anyway, so it's just a longer wait...

I don't see the reason for Sky buying Mad Men. It's not really a ratings winner, certainly not a show to pull in subscribers...and it doesn't seem like their type of show, at least not on Sky 1. Sky Arts, maybe? I don't know, it's a shame BBC have lost it - I thought it was a good addition to BBC4.
 
Yes, I noticed that too. It added another meaning to Peggy's glance back at Pete. He is one of the crowd of the old guard.

It was nice to see Ken again. I hope we get a chance to see more of the group from the old Sterling Cooper, especially Sal. I would like to know what's happening with him.
 
I don't know ~ if you're going to connive to keep your your job by letting your horny boss think he's in with a chance you're going to see that favour being called in at some point in the future. I don't think Roger is really that concerned about her beyond wanting her when she's right there ~ he thought with his pants when she was standing in front of him looking vulnerable & wearing an eye-popping sweater, but he didn't square things with Joan like he said he would. Out of sight, out of mind....

And I'm just not at all convinced that this chippy little madam has it in her to get one over on Joan ~ she's daring, yes, and she's got youth on her side, which I'm sure Joan is hyper-sensitive to right now, but she's nowhere near as clever as she thinks she is. She's messing with the wrong people, and heading for a fall (and the desk outside Don's office never stays occupied for long)

I'm sure she is a Joan-in-training, but she's not yet experienced enough to know when to mess and when to step back.

It's gonna be one to watch when they do start the 'battle of the bosoms', mind you :D
 
I liked the new look Peggy. Betsy looked out of sorts with her new 'family' although I did think the mother in law was a bit of a caricature. I can't see things going well for those two.

Jane's friend, Don's date looks like being a regular character. Wonder what her dark secret is?
 
Wow, Tiff, thanks - I think I missed my nose along the way - that figures ;)

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(BTW, the fag is electronic nowadays :D )

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Don might well have fired Peggy if she had rejected an advance from an important client, but would he have said "You people" to her, and if he had what would he have meant by it?

I suspect that he would have felt genuinely sorry for her when he sacked her in those circumstances, whereas he had not the slightest sympathy for Sal - because he despised his homosexuality and could not understand why a gay man would resist any advance.

Don is prepared to work with gay colleagues, so he did not sack Sal after he saw him in the hotel room, but that does not mean he likes them.

Sal was not sacked because he was gay, but because he upset a client. However the total lack of sympathy for Sal and the use of an insult rather than any understanding can only be explained by Don's attitude to homosexuality.

He has clearly been shown to be a homophobe - which is not in the slightest bit remarkable in 1963.
 
What has been good about this series is the way it seems to have quietly taken the assumtions you made about the characters in series 1 and twisted them against you. I don't know what others thought, but I felt sorry for Betty in series 1, somewhat disapproving of Don, disliking Pete, liking Peggy and thinking Joan was a scheming, vindictive cow. So what happened in series 2? Betty turns into Mommy Dearest from Hell, Don turns out to be a complicated individual with an unbelievably complex background but who clearly still loves Betty, Pete turns out to be not as odious as first thought, Peggy is turning into a nasty piece of work and Joan's nastyness conceals an abusive background. Even the barking Bertram Cooper turned out to have a more ruthless edge when selling the firm. Everything seems to have been turned on it's head which I suppose is a metaphor for the 1960's.

Series 3 will be interesting to say the least.
 
That is an excellent post Tiffany - very eloquent and exactly right. I think Betty sees Henry as security - rather like a comfort blanket. Father figure even given her's father recently died. The events of that week with Don combined with the horrible JFK news (and perhaps being fatherless) unsettle her so much she seeks refuge in Henry as Don is soiled gooRAB for her right now. Betty asks several time "what's going on?" seeking reassurance (she asks both Don and Henry). Perhaps she feels she knows Henry better than Don. Which given she doesnt' know Henry well at all shows just how Don's revelations have shaken her to the core. Had the JFK incident happened at another time, separate from Don's revelations, I wonder if Betty would have gone for the drive to meet Henry at all. The wedding would have been packed had the assassination not happened. She may not have noticed Henry there for a long time, if at all. Had it been busy and noisy she may have seen Henry with the woman and not been able to overhear the comment about "daddy" and assumed he was with someone new. But as it was, the lack of other's around forced them to notice each other. Combined with Don's revelations and the introspective mood of the moment, all these things helped conspire to lead Betty down the road she has taken.

...also (forgot to mention in my last post)...

Peggy's storyboard picture for the hair net campaign at the end. It could have been a still from the famous "Zapruder film" of JFK's assassination, just before he is killed. Open top convertible travelling from left to right, 4 people inside. Raw colours. Very clever writing/visualisation. That particular ad campaign is doomed I think!!!
 
Mad Men has been an absolute delight from beginning to end. I congratulate everyone involved with it and eagerly await the next series.
I would be interested to know if there are any plans for a soundtrack CD.
 
Agreed with all! Except the Big Grim at the end, :confused: and :eek: combined represent me better :D

I wonder if, in the next series, we'll see Joan loyally supporting a mental and physical Vietnam cripple :(

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