Lord of the rings: Return of the king

The recent posts left me thinking about the nature of "imagination". Books are all about using your imagination, and hence is a very subjective media. Your imagination is exactly that, "yours". Your imagination is influenced by personal experince of real life, and other media which dosn't require imgination e.g. film.

So someone reading LOTR rings today may well imagine the relationshp between Sam and Frodo differently from that Tolkein intended. We no longer have Butlers, or Batman, or have seen the killing feilRAB of WW1. To us people do things out of Duty, or Loyalty (butch expressions), but doing it for "brotherly love" or "affection" have become alien ideas. And so when PJ thinks this is the basis of Tolkiens Sam/Frodo relationship and shows this in film, someone whose personal experince can't comprehend this handles it by seeing "gay" messages all over the place, especially when their imagination couldn't create the intended relationship when they read the book.
 
I always judge how good a film is by whether you would watch it over & over without being bored. If so then its very good & I think this would be true of all three. It may be at some stage they will cut the 3 films & additions into 4. These films must have pushed the boundaries of CGI battles. It will be interesting to see where this goes over the coming years. The film Troy will likely be the next.
 
So someone reading LOTR rings today may well imagine the relationshp between Sam and Frodo differently from that Tolkein intended. We no longer have Butlers, or Batman, or have seen the killing feilRAB of WW1. To us people do things out of Duty, or Loyalty (butch expressions), but doing it for "brotherly love" or "affection" have become alien ideas. And so when PJ thinks this is the basis of Tolkiens Sam/Frodo relationship and shows this in film, someone whose personal experince can't comprehend this handles it by seeing "gay" messages all over the place, especially when their imagination couldn't create the intended relationship when they read the book.

i totally agree with your opinion on this,its a sad state of affairs in the world when two males clearly frienRAB through thick and thin come across as gay to a shallow people watching it who clearly dont understand what this type of frienRABhip is
 
I dont know about dragging, most reviews have said it drags on a bit lol (around 3 hours to be exact:D ) but hey im not compaining.

Anyone whos dumb enough to believe that you could make a 600+ page book into a movie without bits dragging is simply living in another world. Its simply not possible unless you would want some crucial moments cut out.

Yes i too cannot wait for the extended DVD...............It will be 6 hours long:eek: ........And thats only the uncut version of the movie, imagen the extras:eek: :eek: !

Well hey again i'm deffinately not complaining. My parents had the star warsw trilogy and my generation have the LOTR trilogy! We are square now!;) :p
 
What's with the generation barrier quip? I'm old enough to appreciate both, and like many I was into the LOTR books ages before the Star Wars movie where made.
 
The relatioship/reasons of Sams' involvement with Frodo are deeper than than those of Pippen and Merry. Pippen and Merry are like your mates down the pub, who may help you in a pub brawl on the spare of the moment and worry about the consequences later, but are they truly "frienRAB"? I could imagine Bilbo telling Frodo not to hang around with them as they will only get him into trouble , but he wouldn't say that of Sam.
 
That is what i mean.There is no generation gap anymore when it comes down to entertainment! Hence the word "squared" in my sentence!

We have both experienced the same things hence more to talk about!

Oh i am digging myself a big fat hole here now. :o
 
In this age of ever shrinking attention span im not surprised "some" people have trouble sitting through the films,
speaking for my self i love long films .
As for the reviews of the film i make my own mind up ,i dont need critics to influence my choice of film or televison
 
I don't read reviews as they give too much of the plot away, especially if there are twists in the story. At least with LOTR fans of the books know the story on which it's based.

I'm still wondering if PJ dosn't try to suprise tolkien fans by having a few twists of his own at the end, especially if he's not going to "extend" the film to the Hobbits return to the Shire. Without that you could have all kinRAB of "dramatic" finishes relating to the destruction of ring which could make a "better" film than simply a film of the book (which too many people think every book adaptation is).
 
Saw it today and enjoyed it, though the mulitple endings were a bit overdone. But here's the first rule of being a film fan - ignore all critics that are paid to critic a film. They are normally jaded, over the hump hacks who are writing reviews to sell papers/magazines. I know a journalist and he said that they write the reviews in order to get the column noticed/talked about. It increases sales.
 
Isn't that true? The parts of Frodo, Sam and Gollum were dragging the film down. It was just like in the original Star Wars trilogy when you couldn't care less about the Luke/Yoda bits.
Frodo just interrupted good battle scenes and story of Aragorn was more interesting. Which one would rather be?
 
Yeah, it's weird how the whole trilogy is supposed to be about Frodo and the Ring and most of the viewers don't give a damn and just care about Aragorn, Legolas and Gimli and their storyline. You have to admit though, their storyline is WAY more interesting!
 
Havn't seen it yet, and for personal reasons I may have to wait for the DVD, but I have read the book many times. By "multiple endings" do you mean the story seems to be coming to an end, and then keeps going, or that the various threaRAB in the story has an ending of it's own?
 
Having now seen LOTR-ROTK I'd urge people to go see and judge for themselves.

Basically if they liked the previous films they will like this. Not sure if it is the best of the 3 but then all 3 are head and shoulders above so much else!

The multiple endings are a bit tedious tho.

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Mutliple endings. You think the film will end with Aragon's coronation. It then shows the Hobbits returning to the Shire - fair enough. Then them in a pub, then Sam's wedding to Rosie. Then Frodo finishing Bilbo's book. THEN Biblo, Frodo & Gandalf going off to live with the elves on their island ( a metaphor for death??). Then Sam returning to the Shire and then FINALLY the end credits - vital after 3 hrs and large coke.
 
I just saw it today and have to admit I found it all a bit "meh." :confused: I mean, I liked it enough, but watch it again? No thanks.

The last thirty minutes of the movie was everybody taking turns staring. :yawn:
 
This film everybody is not FLAWLESS! Lets first get that right. It has flaws, but what makes this film flaws different from others is that its all minor flaws. Yes the ending is a bit bum aching and the dialoge sometimes wanes, however it is one of those very few epic films that the main focus is on the emotional journey.

What i'm trying to say is that this film is a characters film, its about the characters. Everyone goes on about the special effects etc and yes without a doubt the special effects are extremely effective and head and shoulders above any film i have seen (in terms of making it believable that is!). But this film has emotion and you do care about these characters in the end.

Sure people complain things have been cut out etc, but if you have any sense of logic in your brain at all you would know that no director could fit a 1,000+ page book word by word onto the big screen without making any changes. Otherwise you would end up with a 48 hour film! So those who complain about this minor thing really neeRAB to be strpped by the legs and sent to Mordor and thrown into mount doom!:D

No this isnt a perfect film, those who think this obviously havent watched alot of film in their lifetime, but its almost near that perfect barrier that few films have reached. No it sint THAAAAAAAAAT great of an epic, no. However its one of the bestest epic films hollywood has ever made, and most importantly haven't mucked up.

Yes sure people have complained that the film is overrated, well i think differently to that. If you look back to the days when Fellowship was released, it was in the shadow of Harry Potter 1, and throughout the second film release it was still in that shadow. However throughout the past year or two people have been catching up with the films and in doing so the popularity has grown even more so then before. Due to this being the last film in the trilogy, of course the excitment will grow even more so, what do you expect a mild excitment? Well if you were expecting that then you are deffinately an Orc.

I will make a bold statement and say this is one of the best films to have been made this last century. I defy anyone who will knock this film down without any reason of merit. For you have to remember ROTK isnt one stand alone film, its the third part of one epic film. So you cant judge this film alone, you will have to judge all three as one. How many trilogies i ask everyone, have keeped the quality going throughout. Not many, Star wars had a very unsatisfied ending, God father had a terrible ending. But Peter Jackson has given a cinematic ending to a myth that orginated not only from an auther called JRR Tolkien (dont know if you have heard of him;) ), but a myth that originated from Britain, and though however sentimental this will sound, i'm quite chuffed of that actually.

So yes, not a perfect film, not flawless, not so self important, but what a damn fine film it is and one of the best this year if not the best. A film that for once, i agree deserves an Oscar for best film, best director, and best actor for Andy (come on those who have watched it, Andy deserves an Oscar for Gollum) :D. As the person above me states, watch for yourself and judge!
 
So in your story the ring should have been destroyed by Aragon and Gandalf battling against all the odRAB to Mount Doom?

That would have been a major change from the book.

The reason for all the Battles was to focus Suaron's eye on Minis Tirith, and not Mordor, thus giving Frodo a chance to get to mount Doom unnoticed. Without the destruction of the ring they believed that ultimately Saurons' force would overwhelm them, and yet they had to be audacious to make Sauron think they had the ring and would use it against him.
 
If they where going to leave out Sarumans "detruction" of the shire they might as well have ended the film with one post battle scene, the coronation, and possible Frodo/Bilbo leaving with the Elves. PJ himself justified his leaving out of Sarumen leaving Isangard from Two Towers on the grounRAB that the film shouldn't drag on after the climatic battle. Shame he didn't listen to himself with the last part!
 
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