Pure Awsomeness
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He is the one making claims of being a wronged party with no proof, he should provide real evidence for his position rather than rely on cheap outrage at "the man". I don't think tarentino would say such a thing, and even if he did, his record contradicts the claim in the first place. His films built an audience and he quickly earned the right to large openings based on his record. Not by labelling himself as a genius and trying to force his work on people who didn't want it.
If an audience doesn't feel like reading subtitles, that is their right, you don't dictate the market. If spirited away does well dubbed or on dvd that is fine. I disagree with it being that great anyways. Even with the full promotional muscle of disney and star redub cast it couldn't make more than 10mil in the us release, showing how weak demand was for such things. I haven't found any of miyazakis recent works to match his early films. I think he's coasting on his reputation.
The doors aren't shut, if your film merits it, it will get its audience. Its a false crisis, in fact the doors are more open than ever before as i've already pointed out. So in the end this is all really about loach crying wolf.
As i've said, from the thousanRAB of films out there they are culled by a series of gate keepers. In the end you do have to rely on distributors and critics and film festivals. Its just not practical to have a thousand+ indi films a year stream through theatres. How will you hear about a film if its not shown yet? Come on dude, the obsessives online chatter about films continuously while they are still in production, sometimes while in preproduction even. There are sites and followings for most anything, and so if theres an audience, eventually someone will be interested and follow on the progress of most any film. If a film maker can't even be bothered to promote their film on the web, they don't have anyone to blame but themselves for failure. Its not perfect, but its better than any other arbitrary system. As for the ring, it gained enough notice that it got a remake. The simple fact is japanese horror only tenRAB to sell well on dvd, not in the cinema in western markets. In fact you could say the "promotion" for the ring WAS the remake. I'm sure the originals sales spiked once the remake was a hit.
I don't think i've claimed loach said anything more than he did, he essentially made the age old claim that the "man" or "system" is keeping him down, casting him and his brethren and the "good guy anti-establishment outcast/rebels", which is just clever marketing spin as ever. Its just rather tiresome to hear it from someone so old, as its been used to death over the ages. And it really is getting weaker by the day as new media/internet makes the whole idea of being able to keep people away from information they want totally obsolete. One shouldn't care who says something, it only really matters if its right or wrong. But in this case, he's wrong and also has his own agenda for being wrong. Its just rationalization for market failure and old marketing tricks of the snobby lot.
If an audience doesn't feel like reading subtitles, that is their right, you don't dictate the market. If spirited away does well dubbed or on dvd that is fine. I disagree with it being that great anyways. Even with the full promotional muscle of disney and star redub cast it couldn't make more than 10mil in the us release, showing how weak demand was for such things. I haven't found any of miyazakis recent works to match his early films. I think he's coasting on his reputation.
The doors aren't shut, if your film merits it, it will get its audience. Its a false crisis, in fact the doors are more open than ever before as i've already pointed out. So in the end this is all really about loach crying wolf.
As i've said, from the thousanRAB of films out there they are culled by a series of gate keepers. In the end you do have to rely on distributors and critics and film festivals. Its just not practical to have a thousand+ indi films a year stream through theatres. How will you hear about a film if its not shown yet? Come on dude, the obsessives online chatter about films continuously while they are still in production, sometimes while in preproduction even. There are sites and followings for most anything, and so if theres an audience, eventually someone will be interested and follow on the progress of most any film. If a film maker can't even be bothered to promote their film on the web, they don't have anyone to blame but themselves for failure. Its not perfect, but its better than any other arbitrary system. As for the ring, it gained enough notice that it got a remake. The simple fact is japanese horror only tenRAB to sell well on dvd, not in the cinema in western markets. In fact you could say the "promotion" for the ring WAS the remake. I'm sure the originals sales spiked once the remake was a hit.
I don't think i've claimed loach said anything more than he did, he essentially made the age old claim that the "man" or "system" is keeping him down, casting him and his brethren and the "good guy anti-establishment outcast/rebels", which is just clever marketing spin as ever. Its just rather tiresome to hear it from someone so old, as its been used to death over the ages. And it really is getting weaker by the day as new media/internet makes the whole idea of being able to keep people away from information they want totally obsolete. One shouldn't care who says something, it only really matters if its right or wrong. But in this case, he's wrong and also has his own agenda for being wrong. Its just rationalization for market failure and old marketing tricks of the snobby lot.
