I didn't refer to better live banRAB, I mentioned other live banRAB. It doesn't matter if we all agree or not, it's more interesting when there are multiple opinions. I like a good show as much as anyone. Not having seen GWAR, I could be entirely wrong, they may be the best live band ever, but i doubt it. I've seen tape of them and I think they are absolutely ridiculous. I do give them credit though for milking the same tired schtick for going on what, 20 years? I guess I lump them in with WASP and the like - minimal talent and crappy songs. I have seen extravagant shows (Alice Cooper in the early 80's, Funkadelic with the spaceship, Metallica on the Justice tour etc.) and enjoyed them immensely. I guess what I'm getting at is that for me, a musician's ability to play, to improvise, to leave you with your jaw dropped - that's what really matters when they play live. It's different for everyone, and as I am double or more in years on most of the posters here, a lot of that perspective comes with age, been there done that. Where I won't waste money on the big productions anymore (except maybe Pink Floyd if they ever tour again), I understand why some people still do. Even if it's GWAR. Trust me, your tastes change and your horizons broaden as you get older. When I was a youngster, it was metal all the way. Now there is very little music I don't like, except for the puke that's on the radio, but that's a whole other thread. Lates.