Let's talk about BT

[chloe w]

Invite Central
It's like all the rest of those forums.

 

["JUST SMILE"]

the very definition of 'crime' comes from the notion of breaking a law. So yeas, doing something illegal is a crime.

Even the RIAA knows this.

sure they do. But there isn't a prison to hold 1/2 a billion or so file-sharers, or is there?

 

[koolio45]

I'm of an entirely different mindset on this because primarily a. they are only words b. they are only words directed at an inanimate object( a bt tracker ) which has no feelings and therefore is immune to harm c. there are more than one side to every argument and by seeing other ones you begin to reason instead of just follow.

Exactly, people should have the right to speak their mind, I mean if you have a strong feeling about something you should be able to express it. As long as you're not trolling I don't see the problem.

 

[pink88]

I just meant that most people that use BT to download aren't interested in or know about the other aspects of trackers that some people like. If you are joe blow torrenter then pretty much all you want is to download at the fastest speed possible which means big swarms, or $1000 GB seedboxes.

 

[Applecheekies]

hmm.. that's quite the list.

1. I use BT daily. I have no cable, haven't been to the cinema in years, refuse to pay for a movie rental - and I love film. So yes, if it weren't for the fact that I love watching a good film, or TV series, or what have you, I probably would not torrent.

2. An ideal tracker is one where: You get help when you need it. Staff and members interact and you share laughs and ideas about film and other oddities of life. Requests are filled. Thanks to uploads are granted, and the content of the site is unique to the interests of the user. often this results in users expanding out to other dedicated trackers for other interests: tv sites, MMA sites, e-books and such.

3 Volume of trackers is in relation to use I suppose. Why does one need with 10 0-day sites??? Particularly if the content is pretty much the same. After a bit of trial and error, I would think it makes sense to close off one's account to those trackers that aren't meeting your needs and stick with the ones that do. Over time, i've developed an approach of using smaller, dedicated trackers depending upon need. For example, I have a wii tracker that I recently signed up to for games - as all I have is a wii and its perfect for me I won't be a heavy user as I'm not a hardcore gamer, but I know that when I want to grab a wii torrent I know where to go. The few other sites I have are for music, TV, and movies/apps. That's about it. There is no number to great or to small. What matters is that it is used. Sitting on an account that you don't use at all is rather stupid imho.

4. Politics of BT.. hmm.. I'm guessing part of this comes from how sites are run. If so, my thoughts on that are I am not a site owner, and part of belonging to a site is respecting the rules. If the rules aren't working for an individual user than make suggestions on site. If your suggestions are tossed, try to work with it still, if it still doesn't work - move on. It's their house, they set the rules. There are enough sites out there where everyone can find something that works for them. As far as the politics out there, I think the obsession with having the bigger e-penis is a bit ridiculous, and more evident in those users who either haven't progressed and matured in finding a niche in the sites out there, or don't want to because they like the ego-stroking that comes with bragging. There's loads of asshats out there who care not for the site they belong to, but only care to brag about what site they belong to. Those type are just bottom feeders and n00bs. They're everywhere in life, why not in BT land. oh well..

5. Morales.. Not to many, but consideration and respect are two. First off, you respect the rules of the tracker. Non-negotiable. Reasons said above already - it's their house, you don't like it, i guess you'll eventually have to go elsewhere. Other rules: Say thanks to those who share, offer help when you can, fill a request if you're able, don't bail on a seed if you're the last one, and check in on teh site regularly enough to at least demonstrate that you're not taking up space on the tracker for ego - but that you actually want to be there.

That's it off the top of my head . Should be an interesting convo. Let the talks begin

 

[VampBlood16]

So, what stops you from doing something like that again? Or even getting back together with those folks that you used to share with? I mean, you are talking about what many sites shoot for on an idealistic level, but is it just a matter of size more than anything?

I will say that it can be dangerous to covet the past, as you surely will end up disappointed in the long run because with experience comes perspective. When we are younger, we often don't realize how good we have it until we don't, and by then it's almost exclusively too late. "You can't go home again" and all that jazz.

What do you see the politics of BT entailing, and does it affect your actions in this field?

Not 100% what you mean... :\ Do you mean the whole tracker levels thing? If so, I think it's extremely silly that people seek hard to find trackers (many of which are simply 0-day trackers anyway), rather than trackers that actually provide content that they want.

I mean the way the way people interact outside the insulation of there personal "favorite" community. I suppose that levels fall under that, but really don't mean much in terms of the question. I want to know what you think about the bigger community and how the "players" set the tone for everyone else in the way they treat both each other and the people that would like to be or already are members of their sites.

Like, do you bite your tongue in discussions because you worry that your words with follow you elsewhere? Do you treat people differently than you would if you thought that what you said in one place stayed in that one place?

 

[rancherkid]

(As in real life when you join a group of friends who have common experiences)

That's one of the cool things about Private BT, generally once you have established yourself you do share a common experience. That of figuring out how to establish yourself. It's no small task, and having the desire to do so puts you at the advantage of knowing more that those "average" users. I'm not trying to say that it makes it efortless to fit into a community, but it does put you on common ground with the other members who have travelled that route.

 

[bo_dontno]

Well, I think you should be applauded for being honest. You actually are bringing up something that probably should be addressed if we are really talking about all aspects of BT. I am positive that there are quite a few folks that also find themselves unable to stop, much like gambling, the feeling of elation at achieving some transient goal driving them well past sane usage levels.

I mean, I'm sure most of us have at least heard reference to internet addiction, so it can only be worse in BT as there is a semi tangible reward to it, in the speed you get your files, or the esteem of the trackers you gain entry to, or the selection you have to choose from. It's easy for someone to say "use moderation" but there is always the crutch of community there to help us convince ourselves that it's a valid use of time.

I wish you luck in dealing with your addiction bas1c, and only wish I could tell you something to make it easier to unplug, other than just saying "you should unplug" but there's not really much else to say.

Well I'm not THAT far gone. RSS, a good filter, and a box definitely gives you peace of mind. But it's definitely fun to log in to see your percentages/stats everyday.

I see where you are getting at though. Maybe it falls under addiction, but at least in my case, I think it's more about exceeding and trying to be the best at whatever I may be doing. That drive that always makes me want to be on top. Once I get to that transient goal of mine I'll be 'done' and move onto the next thing.

Now onto [my] addiction problems: gambling and alcohol. I have no explanation for those other than that I have an addictive personality and like to let go every once in awhile.

 

[Britni Warner]

Thats easy to answer, you would be the fool for wasting so much time

Sorry could not resist

NP I'm a fool for a lot of reasons.

 

[kx2_90]

Or maybe this thread's not about that. Seriously though :ermm:

First off, there is a definitive mob rule in BT and it has been a evident to me from the start. The biggest problem with that is the fact that there is no common agreed upon set of behavioural guidelines for new people to use to lead them in this field. Only the current vaporous and ill defined whims of the mob.

As bt has exploded, that problem has gotten worse and worse and tbh, I don't think there can be a resolution of it. A need has risen for new ways to approach how to keep sites active, and with that need, so grows the confusion about what is required of you, the end user, to be considered active.

This has led to a very wide difference in that definition on the part of staffers and the core members of those sites. Which in turn leads to a lot of disagreements about what is the common law in BT. Just by virtue of the nature of what we do, logic would state that a free hand is implicit, but it's not. We are expected to be respectful of the members who compose that core of sites, but can suffer extreme repercussions if we deviate from that respect, especially if we dabble in the bigger community.

It's created a need to learn, on our own usually, what is acceptable and what is not, but this field holds little in the way of forgiveness, and that is hard to swallow for me.

Some interesting points in there (and in the rest of your post but I'll stick to that bit for now). I think you're mostly right about the mob rule thing, that the problem is indeed getting worse and that it is indeed hard to see any resolution to it. I do think though that its easy to forget, when active on forums like this one or the countless other invite/BT related sites that no doubt exist, or as someone involved in running or staffing a tracker, that a lot of members on sites don't necessarily participate in, or even have a great awareness of, a lot of the issues surrounding BT. I know I breezed along in blissful ignorance of a lot of the politics for ages, simply downloading and seeding things I liked, maintaining decent ratios despite my then 25kb/s upload, and only ever really having positive interactions with other members or staff. Its only when you really look into things a bit deeper, which many people may never do, that you find what you assumed to be univerally held behavioural codes, based on nothing greater than common sense and courtesy, are not so universal after all.

My first proper exposure to that was probably a thread on here I found linked through my old fav. sites' forum. That site was (and is) focused on privacy, I never thought anyone else would have an issue with that until I read some of the vitriol, deliberately destructive attacks on the way it was run etc. I found that quite shocking, not because most of it was nonsense, but because I couldn't at the time imagine why people would want to behave like that about a small community of people just sharing with each other.

Since that time I've become a lot more aware of the nuances involved in the wider BT "community", and on the internet in general, and aware that there's a lot of people out there who are only really capable of thinking about themselves, who would far rather tear something down than become involved in it constructively. Those people also tend to shout the loudest, making their numbers perhaps seem much greater than they actually are, and their influence perhaps makes it much harder for those new to the "community" to establish what acceptable modes of behaviour are, and what point there is in sticking to those anyway. Which in turn makes it harder for those established people to discern between someone who simply doesn't know, and someone who does and is choosing to pay no attention regardless. Its a vicious cycle really, to which I unfortunately doubt there is any tangible or achievable solution.

 

[Onfire]

Exactly, people should have the right to speak their mind, I mean if you have a strong feeling about something you should be able to express it. As long as you're not trolling I don't see the problem.

This is all fine untill some says and has a go about things/sites they have never checked out therefore have no real facts about it to make judgements on them.

A bt tracker may be inanimate but the owners who put time and effort into them running them are not so they do have a right to take offence at people who say things about the tracker with out even having the manners to check it 1st.

 

[Najmi]

All I can say is, don't take all this bt stuff too seriously. It's just sending files from one to another. There are many people that feel they are mighty in "bt world" (maybe they need to compensate something), but you do not need to support this. I don't see why you would need to - In the end they are just small illegal groups, receiving content from somewhere else and isolating that and themselves from the outside world.

 

[Emily1005]

You'll get no argument from me on that one

There is no bad students, but only bad teachers ! Nowadays,maybe the major problem of the BT is the education of "the average member". BT looks like a "McDonald", where the people come, take what they want, and go ! You just have to look at how many people pushed the "thanks button" or let a comment for the uploader in all the trackers where you're on, and to compare it with the "snatched list"

 

[insulin_shooter]

To answer your question I agree with you. I think there is no 'one' ideal type of member. Everybody does what they can. Some just download and help that way. Others seed till it bleeds and keep torrents alive. Some people might bring their fast pipes while others participate in the forums and IRC while some just live in the IRC and you never see them on the site hardly at all.

Every 'good' member just does what comes natural to them really and take part in the way they feel like. Just because someone doesn't want to take part in the forums doesn't make them a bad member lol it is a tracker after all.

:yup:

 

[Roy W]

Did anyone say that people shouldn't be able to speak their minds?

Do you always say the first thing that pops up in your mind in RL? I usually don't.

 

[Arooroo Mom]

OK

Why do you use bit torrent, and why to the degree that you use it?

safe filesharing....very high degree i need many movies games music etc...

What do you feel is the ideal tracker for you, and are you a member of a site that fills those requirements?

safe tracker...not many know it exist...very hard to fbi and organisitions to find...am not member in tracker with fills the requeirements... i hope one day i can be

Do you feel you are on enough trackers, and what do you think is too many trackers?

no...u can never have to many....

What do you see the politics of BT entailing, and does it affect your actions in this field?

yes politic can be hard sometime...

Do you think there is an ethos necessary when interacting, and if so, what does it consist of? By this I mean what do you think the "morals" of BT are, if you think there should be.

be good member have good moral..

I don't know if this is just too general a subject for discussion here, but I'd really like to get a wide view of what people think about this thing we do, and would only ask that people keep it about BT and stay civil.

law people dont like what we do....but old news lol... :happy:

 

[Mr. Smily]

This thread is not that different from cabalo's or albo's, you can take out the flames and the fun (just cause they are not organized) in those threads and they're pretty much like this one. Is the fact of being more organized or that i posted reason to make it epic? More pages?

Word per post ratio maybe?

 

[The Boogerman]

I guess so Sear.


But still i wonder where are all those thousands, hundreds, etc... off users that RIAA talks about... How is it possible, that the major trackers, ( well established ) seam to be having an hard time, getting new members that want to leech ?

Are people still using emule ? Dcc ? Or have they all run away to Usenet or rapid share forums ?

I guess..... maybe.... were not that many...

wow i have to edit this didint saw your post there Intr4ns1t morning buddie.

BrianH , respect.... But when u say, fsc blablabla level9, you relly sound like a frustrated collector, dude....... why the fuck did u need to talk about levels in this thread ? make your own post ( i think i know u you are ) and bitch about it....... dont ruin this one. please do not reply in here either, go fuck a squirl or a cow.

 

[!!!]

Why do you use bit torrent, and why to the degree that you use it?
I'm an absolute media hog, and I can occasionally get stuck in a collecting mode where I try to collect media and sites and everything. I just hoard data. Then I reach a point where I ask myself what the benefit of that is in relation to time spent - then I take a break from the acquisition... but not from downloading media. I can't get enough of that.


What do you feel is the ideal tracker for you, and are you a member of a site that fills those requirements?
The thing I love about bit torrent is that it's never about one tracker. It's the hydra, baby. Yes, I have pretty much what I need in all my trackers though.

Do you feel you are on enough trackers, and what do you think is too many trackers?
Too many trackers is when you spend more time logging into each tracker and trying to get invites than you do perusing the contents and actually using the buggers. I've done this before when I was using something like 47 trackers on a weekly basis.

What do you see the politics of BT entailing, and does it affect your actions in this field?
As far as I know, bit torrent is not illegal. So doesn't affect me.

Do you think there is an ethos necessary when interacting, and if so, what does it consist of? By this I mean what do you think the "morals" of BT are, if you think there should be.
The morals are share, leech, and spread the joy. Pretty simple.

 

[Janu42 {?uotable}]

Initially i started off with Emule for my music!!..But then the best part about BT trackers like TT,Elek and TR are the Forums....maybe i don't post much out there,but its really fun reading those posts/comments which users post on every EP release!!
....Alos use BT for movies....but main priority would be Music,coz i got into "Torrenting mainly for EDM"..

What do you feel is the ideal tracker for you, and are you a member of a site that fills those requirements?

An Ideal tracker for ME would be a tracker with a good content of EDM.
Yup!!More than satisfied to be a member of those sites

Do you feel you are on enough trackers, and what do you think is too many trackers?

Trackers which gets me what i need,are basically enough for me!!...

Too many trackers in the sense people being a member on it and not using it all..a file on elek gets snatched only like 20 times,when there are more than 5000 members out there...most of them are either collectors and traders...its really frustrating to see a good release getting snatched only 20 times....

What do you see the politics of BT entailing, and does it affect your actions in this field?

..Have no idea about this at all!!