Legacy programming price increase - Effective April 30th

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you must have signed up pre-1998 then, because there have been deals AT LEAST for that long for new sign ups.
 
if your digital standard is going to $31, you are already on Genesis programming, as Digital Standard is part of Genesis...Locals is part of legacy programming...you must have been under contract, and your contract is up in April, hence when your $4 increase is kicking in (rather than Feb 1st like most of us)...so, you ONLY increase, will be the $4 increase you will see in April.
 
How could you possibly know that is true.

And if it is, so what?

That doesn't change the fact.

And it doesn't change that these are my options and I plan on holding on to them.
 
I've posted this before, but to change to the new package without changing one channel would automatically cost me $20 more per month or $240 per year plus tax. My OTA is working fine and that would certainly be the direction I would be going in. Geez a price hike of that degree is ridiculous.
 
AYCE was targetted for abolition in... 2005. I think you'll have to switch over to the new programming eventually.
 
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The ISP has a PVC created in the Bell hardware right at the DSLAM for their specific customer. This PVC is mapped right through the Bell network and in this case the PVC is aggregated at the exit point (Ethernet switch) with all their other subscribers all over the Bell network in the Central office where the ISP has their colocated equipment. Their usually is only a few Central Offices where the ISP has their equipment due to cost. The ISP bulk purchases the PVCs at a wholesale rate which gives them a margin that they use to create profit (along with other attached services that they offer to their customers).

At the back end of the network where the ISP has their hardware, Bell is moving the ISP off the ATM hardware (switch) to direct Ethernet connection from the core Bell IP network. The new Bell network is moving towards a total Ethernet solution and this is the first step to move traffic from the existing ATM network. PM me if you want to know more about how this is being done.

Regards, John
 
There are deals and then there are deals. When I signed up, there were no deals on HD equipment. (Like I said, the 6000 didn't even come with enough hardware to actually receive the HD channels?!) The programming credit for new customers was relatively small ($60-$100), if there was one at all. There were gaps when there were no credits and the going price for receivers was $190 and up. A 5100 PVR cost $600 and a 6000 cost $800+. Now, new customers are getting $300+ in credits when renting a 9200. Installation and extra hardware is free and they can walk away after 2 years with no loss in investment.

When signing up for EV, I figured that part of the saving over cable was due to the cost of the equipment. At $20/mo in savings, it would take about 4 years to pay for the receivers. Two years later, EV wants to jack up the service cost by $20, and make me help pay for the rentals it is supplying to new customers, with a free year's rental, free HD for 6 months and/or up to $300 in other credits.

EV is a company with no consistency where customer policy is concerned. Subsidies for hardware appear and disappear for no apparent reason. First you can't rent, then you can't buy, then you can do both and that seems to change depending on who you get on the other end of the phone. Depending on the whims of management, different customers get different channels in their packages at different rates. HD channels show up and disappear (or not), seemingly at random intervals. Many channels are available, or not, depending on when customers signed up.

Then there is the mushroom factor. Many CSRs are not informed of policies and promotions until well after the fact and often learn of them from customers. It's a mess and it's little wonder that many CSRs can't provide a consistent answer.
 
Sorry, new to this, but have been a BEV sub for over 8 years. What is Genesis? I have a legacy package (House package) that has not been offered in like 7 years with my 3500 (also way out of date).

I have been looking to convert to a new package, but have not seen one that compares, price-wise.

Thanks!
 
i am quite aware of the complexity of the network, and wasn't about to get into every detail of it...my point was, 3rd party ISP's are NOT the same as dealing with bell directly...that doesn't mean there aren't good ones, but if you had great service with your DSL connection with Bell, it doesn't mean that every 3rd party DSL provider will provide the same quality of connection.
 
Generally because Rogers, Shaw & MTS do not require an 18 or 24 month commitment with early out penalties when you sign up, even when they give you "free" or reduced price DCTs. So, when you are with Rogers, Shaw or MTS you can leave or get retention bonuses.
 
I don't know if you guys knew, but Bell does not make ANY money out of the receivers. In fact, from what I learned, the cost Bell pays far exceeds what the customer pays. This is why ExVu is trying so hard to push AIO.
 
Except that this is not the case. EV made a mess out of the old packages because they didn't want to add channels to existing themes but put them into an "odds and sods" package that made no sense or charge $2.99 each for them. Then there were other bad decisions like making audio channels part of video packages that most people did not want. Then they decided to rearrange a few other packages in a way that makes no sense for some customers and call it "new." Then it was decided that all the existing customers must switch over or be penalized. I subscribed to EV based on the facts that their package system was ideally suited to my needs and offered good value. Then EV decided to mess up their package offering and change the rules about how and when I could change my programming. Do they have that right? Yes they do. Does it alienate a lot of existing customers? Definitely. New customers get more channels for about the same money as older customers pay for their service. The fact that EV has rearranged their service so that it makes existing customers purchase channels they don't want in order to retain channels they do want is the issue. The fact that EV makes some channels completely unavailable to existing customers without changing packages and purchasing channels they don't want is another issue. Do some legacy customers get more channels for less money? Maybe, but most don't. Do new customers get a better deal? Certainly. They can rent receivers or get them for next to nothing while most legacy customers paid full price to purchase their receivers. New customers also get more channels in the default package, including the HD package. New customers also have little invested, haven't supported EV for years and are more likely to switch once their commitment is up.


It was for a very short time when the HD package was first introduced and considered to be equivalent to the US nets. Before that, HD was free. Then someone at EV changed their mind and decided to charge the full $10 for it, on top of the regular theme packs. Some customers still get the HD pack as one of their themes. It's about the only break that legacy customers still get. Otherwise, it would be cheaper for me to switch to the new packages. But, then, I would need to reevaluate my whole situation regarding TV service. :cool:
 
DJ,

There have been a few while the package was "current" and then they dinged the system access fee and additional receiver fee for an increase of 12% (approx).

I can live with what I have...though I don't watch it much.

Vis
 
I have to agree on the last part of your message, I_want_my_HDTV: the information propagation is extremely deficient at Bell.
 
This is the key to the whole problem. I'm amazed the CRTC isn't all over Bell on this point.

FaxCap
 
Ceccam... oh you poor Legacy customers!!! Paying on average 10 to 20$ less than the new clients for equivalent package of programming, idn't get price increased in February like Genesis clients were and STILL COMPLAINING!!!

You can always call and complain, the CSR could waive up to 3 months worth of the raise for you
 
that is true...when hardware is sold, the company takes a hit on their COA as a one time shot...for example, if they sign up 10,000 new customers, and all of those customers purchased their hardware, and their COA was $300 each, that is a $3 million hit on the bottom line to acquire that new business.

however, with AIO, they can ammortize the COA over the 2 year term, which helps with the accounting books.
 
early adopters always pay more...when i purchased my video card, it was $650...i just bought another one (18 months later) for $90.


sorry, but the "promo" you mention does not exist...new customers get to choose a) a credit on their bill for half price of the system they purchased, or b) 50% off their All-In-One package for the first 6 months...both options require a 2 year contract, and the first option requires a minimum monthly spend of $47 for the full two years.


there was never a time where you couldn't buy...there was simply a shortage of hardware, like there is right now with HD hardware, due to all the products sold in the last few months with everyone buying a new TV recently.



most of the "different customers are paying different amounts for the same channels", that has mostly to do with your last point, and the old billing system that pretty much allowed you to mess things up.


i agree with you here.
 
"If you don't change your programming, you'll one day wake up with only the Digital standard and an invitation to remake your programming."

Correct me if I am wrong but isnt that negative optioning?
 
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