Kill Bill: Vol. 2
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C'mon - someone must have liked it - and I'm in the mood to argue wylieredneck69
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I'm not in the mood to argue, but I am in the mood to tear your argument apart.
Exactly how was it pretentious shallow and patronising? (btw we are in the UK so don't Americanize worRAB please) or were you just saying those worRAB to look clever and not realising a) what they meant and b) how it'd make you look stupid accusing Vol. 2 of being any of them?
Exactly how was it pretentious shallow and patronising? (btw we are in the UK so don't Americanize worRAB please) or were you just saying those worRAB to look clever and not realising a) what they meant and b) how it'd make you look stupid accusing Vol. 2 of being any of them?
linedancer563
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I'm not in the mood to argue with people who are wrong here, but I think its definitely one of the best QT films and one of my favourite films ever, if not the favourite.
Of course there will always be those who disagree with the majority of people not because they have real reasons, just because they want to appear different.
Of course there will always be those who disagree with the majority of people not because they have real reasons, just because they want to appear different.
My only dig at the film was, "pushed back so more gore could be added to the film"
well in my eyes there was hardly any gore (eye popping out was supposed to be in the final version anyway).
So i think it was pushed back so more people would buy Vol.1 on DVD seeing as they where released a 5 days apart.
But still good film to finish of the story.
well in my eyes there was hardly any gore (eye popping out was supposed to be in the final version anyway).
So i think it was pushed back so more people would buy Vol.1 on DVD seeing as they where released a 5 days apart.
But still good film to finish of the story.
truthfully i thought it was a pile of shit, what a bopring climax to it. sorry but the build up by the first one lead one to believe there would be a huge showdown between the now known Beatrix and Bill.
but what we got was bollox between the two, they played with the sworRAB for a few secs then "The Bride" killed bill with that five point pressure thing Pai Mei taught her.
the only decent bit was the fight between black mamba and elle driver. even then it was overrated. i was hoping for more damn action. only one ****in fight scene throughout that movie and it was dissapointing.
The first one promised so much about the second, but as with all ****in sequels (except lord of the rings & godfather) its a let down.
too much dialogue and not enough action.
truly a waste of time effort and money, does not come recommended.
but what we got was bollox between the two, they played with the sworRAB for a few secs then "The Bride" killed bill with that five point pressure thing Pai Mei taught her.
the only decent bit was the fight between black mamba and elle driver. even then it was overrated. i was hoping for more damn action. only one ****in fight scene throughout that movie and it was dissapointing.
The first one promised so much about the second, but as with all ****in sequels (except lord of the rings & godfather) its a let down.
too much dialogue and not enough action.
truly a waste of time effort and money, does not come recommended.
Guy in©ogn!to
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Too much dialogue? Sorry lad, buy you go to a QT film, you EXPECT dialogue. Volume 1 was a very unusual Tarantino film in that it was mostly action. Even Pulp Fiction had very little to no actual ACTION in it, it was a few incidents and the fallout from them.
I've heard so many people complain there wasn't enough action, well I'm very very glad there wasn't as much as the first one, it made for an absolutely stellar film imo.
I've heard so many people complain there wasn't enough action, well I'm very very glad there wasn't as much as the first one, it made for an absolutely stellar film imo.
i think kill bill vol 2 is a great movie, i agree with phattmatt you expect dialogue from a QT film. Also vol 2 had some great moments, i liked the character pai mei, the question mark over elle's name, not to mention another great soundtrack. Also the references QT plays to other films- check out imdb's trivia. here is one from imdb:
'Quentin Taratino' pays homage to his first film Reservoir Dogs (1992) twice in this film: First, the Bride pulls a single blade razor from her cowboy boot which is a direct homage to Mr. Blonde in Reservoir Dogs, who pulls a razor from his cowboy boot in the infamous ear scene. Second, when the Bride and Bill are talking, Bill says that he hears a gunshot to the kneecap is quite painful. In Reservoir Dogs, Mr. White says to Mr. Orange, "Aside from the kneecap, the gut is the most painful area a guy can get shot in."
dont forget there is a japanease version of kill bill, a special edition of kill bill for dvd later this year, aswell as the directors cut
'Quentin Taratino' pays homage to his first film Reservoir Dogs (1992) twice in this film: First, the Bride pulls a single blade razor from her cowboy boot which is a direct homage to Mr. Blonde in Reservoir Dogs, who pulls a razor from his cowboy boot in the infamous ear scene. Second, when the Bride and Bill are talking, Bill says that he hears a gunshot to the kneecap is quite painful. In Reservoir Dogs, Mr. White says to Mr. Orange, "Aside from the kneecap, the gut is the most painful area a guy can get shot in."
dont forget there is a japanease version of kill bill, a special edition of kill bill for dvd later this year, aswell as the directors cut
Thank you Peej 
An explanation of what I felt wasn't great about the film:
Pretentious - The long unnecessary lingering shots (example being the burial of 'The Bride'). Atmospheric? Perhaps, but I felt they weren't used to great effect; there's long, too long and then self indulgent direction.
Shallow - The depth provided in the first Kill Bill movie was both entertaining and ingenious; O-Ren's backstory being a particular favourite. Whilst in the second we gained some insight into the Bill / Bride relationship, I felt that it lingered on insignificant moments between the pair.
There were an awful lot of unanswered questions (fair enough, just a personal peeve there), and the end credits with Uma Thurman as "AKA Mommy" was sickeningly sugary.
Patronising - The endless Bill-isms had me tearing my skin off by the end; "Y'know what Bill, thanks for yet another condescending analogy, but no thanks..."
Oh an Peej - don't complain about my americanisms when you point them out using txtspk - BTW
Tinyjoshua
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Please explain how you arrived at : "turns out it's absolute w@nk! What a pretentious, shallow and patronizing effort that was"
Given that the "points" above fail to back up any of that.
Given that the "points" above fail to back up any of that.
cascade_boss_dogg
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Well as my film student mate put it
"the 1st film was an Extacsy tablet"
"the 2nd was a proper film"
I have to say I watched Kill Bill 1, with squinted eyes the other day on DVD,
This I could actually watch!
He far preferred, Kill Bill 2 also.
"the 1st film was an Extacsy tablet"
"the 2nd was a proper film"
I have to say I watched Kill Bill 1, with squinted eyes the other day on DVD,
This I could actually watch!He far preferred, Kill Bill 2 also.
NYCisthebomb
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Aha! Speech time! these whinges that it didn't have enough action are quite stupid, anyone thats seen most of QT's work, would have the common sense to realise that most of his movies ARE "talky" movies and character driven...its also been stated time and time again by QT in the media etc that this film wasn't going to be all out action, gore chunks, and mass carnage..and it would provide more of an insight into the back story and the such...few other points..that wasn't particulary valid
Now that is "wank" both movies were originally one movie, it was the studio that wanted them cut into two movies, on the sole purpose to probably make abit more cash, and the chance that many wouldn't sit out a 4 hour and abit film.
so basicly you'd prefer her stuffed in the box, scream abit? maybe turn into a full scale cgi character do a few matrix movies and pop out armed to the teeth for abit of full on blood splattering action?...
Yes there was depth in the first one as its setting up the basic premise, was very entertaining and ingenious, as was volumes two, in different ways, because there differently set out movies..which I don't think you have quite grasped yet....I fail to see how lingering on character development is a bad thing...unless you wanted a "hey bill" "hey bride" "your dead bill for what you did to me" "hey your wank bride c'mon get it" followed by yet another blood splattering cgi action fest
Won't bother with that comment...as for the Rock DJ's statement...well...sorry you didn't like it...but nevermind eh? this summer will be full of mindless shite for the popcorn eating masses..completely devoid of plot and character development...I think thats more akin to your liking..check out Van Helsing
But anyways!! for me I thought the film was very good, very different to part one, and more QT style...I'd say go see it, and you'll enjoy it..but if your going in expecting a 2 hour action film with various gibs and chunks of flesh spewing everywhere, this is not it..just stick with volume one if you want that, this one is more story orientated..saves you coming back on here and having a lame whinge "cuz it's like!! got no fighting!! and guns!! and oOooO BLOOD!! n shit..."
Now that is "wank" both movies were originally one movie, it was the studio that wanted them cut into two movies, on the sole purpose to probably make abit more cash, and the chance that many wouldn't sit out a 4 hour and abit film.
so basicly you'd prefer her stuffed in the box, scream abit? maybe turn into a full scale cgi character do a few matrix movies and pop out armed to the teeth for abit of full on blood splattering action?...
Yes there was depth in the first one as its setting up the basic premise, was very entertaining and ingenious, as was volumes two, in different ways, because there differently set out movies..which I don't think you have quite grasped yet....I fail to see how lingering on character development is a bad thing...unless you wanted a "hey bill" "hey bride" "your dead bill for what you did to me" "hey your wank bride c'mon get it" followed by yet another blood splattering cgi action fest
Won't bother with that comment...as for the Rock DJ's statement...well...sorry you didn't like it...but nevermind eh? this summer will be full of mindless shite for the popcorn eating masses..completely devoid of plot and character development...I think thats more akin to your liking..check out Van Helsing But anyways!! for me I thought the film was very good, very different to part one, and more QT style...I'd say go see it, and you'll enjoy it..but if your going in expecting a 2 hour action film with various gibs and chunks of flesh spewing everywhere, this is not it..just stick with volume one if you want that, this one is more story orientated..saves you coming back on here and having a lame whinge "cuz it's like!! got no fighting!! and guns!! and oOooO BLOOD!! n shit..."
Fiore Sanguinante
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Well for me I'd say more than four. Reservoir Dogs, Pulp Fiction, Jackie Brown, KB Vol 1, KB Vol 2 and then theres the films which he had a big hand in ie True Romance, Natural Born Killers, Dusk Till Dawn.
Socialism for the Rich
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It was good, but IMO,what should have been a epic battle with Bill seemed like a five second bitch slap.
periwinkle135
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OK! Dictionary.com says ...
The point I was making was that Quentin Tarantino left the camera to linger on the box for an exuberant amount of time, thus transgressing from the artistic into the realms of the pretentious; there was little need, in terms of either narrative or exposition, for the box to remain in shot. I don't remember the moment at which I expressed a desire for computer generated shots of any sort? Perhaps you are confusing what I said?
Secondly, you seem to have mis-interpreted what I said. I said that "I felt that it lingered on insignificant moments between the pair." - key word being insignificant. My desire being substance to the relationship - your nice little example of:
is a simplistic exaggeration of how I feel the dialogue currently stanRAB between the pair in the 'second' film.
Lastly, I'm very glad that you enjoyed the movie - I didn't exactly hate it, but I just found it to be pretentious, shallow and patronizing (and a big pile of w@nk) that's all
Agreed The ending was somewhat anti-climatic
The point I was making was that Quentin Tarantino left the camera to linger on the box for an exuberant amount of time, thus transgressing from the artistic into the realms of the pretentious; there was little need, in terms of either narrative or exposition, for the box to remain in shot. I don't remember the moment at which I expressed a desire for computer generated shots of any sort? Perhaps you are confusing what I said?
Secondly, you seem to have mis-interpreted what I said. I said that "I felt that it lingered on insignificant moments between the pair." - key word being insignificant. My desire being substance to the relationship - your nice little example of:
is a simplistic exaggeration of how I feel the dialogue currently stanRAB between the pair in the 'second' film.
Lastly, I'm very glad that you enjoyed the movie - I didn't exactly hate it, but I just found it to be pretentious, shallow and patronizing (and a big pile of w@nk) that's all
Agreed
The ending was somewhat anti-climatickittyhawk99200
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Poss spoilers for those who havent seen it included.
I personally loved it because i watched it not so much as it was a follow on from kill bill 1 but because it was a new film that continued the saga. No expectations of brilliant sword fights or action set peices. This film was a bit more than that.
The ending whilst somewhat short and sweet served the eternal thing of the student becomes the master. yes I would have loved to see a typical long battle at the end but thats part of tarantino, having something different in mind. Personall I watched it thinking have i missed something and i was glad to say that i was that imerssed I missed the fact that the five finger death thingy was left in reserve. Again thats just me personally, im sure the brighter people here would have expected it!
There was not big bitch slap because thats typically american and whats expected, which isnt in some ways what the film is about.
I can see The Rock DJ's point and magazines point that they were continuing a follow on from the brilliant set peices from the first film, to expect that is not typically tarantino tho i feel (again I sense the flamers heading this way). Why do people think there has been realatively little coverage and such radical differing opinions about the film.
The best way i can describe it in a way is to compare to The Truman show. I went in expecting a film with an actor in it that i liked. Other people that went in went in to see Jim Carrey doing a mask or Ace Ventura sort of thing. Expectations are hard to manage, for me Kil Bill 2 set no inital expectations, so I wasnt disappointed and indeed loved the film when I saw it for what it was.
How was the film shallow when it spent so much time building the characters and the plot? Surely americanised films (no offence anyone) like Independance day and other big block busters..etc. where the creme de la creme of patronising and being shallow?
Just out of interst for those who didnt like kill bill 2 (and are allowed not to btw) what are your personally favourite films?
I personally loved it because i watched it not so much as it was a follow on from kill bill 1 but because it was a new film that continued the saga. No expectations of brilliant sword fights or action set peices. This film was a bit more than that.
The ending whilst somewhat short and sweet served the eternal thing of the student becomes the master. yes I would have loved to see a typical long battle at the end but thats part of tarantino, having something different in mind. Personall I watched it thinking have i missed something and i was glad to say that i was that imerssed I missed the fact that the five finger death thingy was left in reserve. Again thats just me personally, im sure the brighter people here would have expected it!
There was not big bitch slap because thats typically american and whats expected, which isnt in some ways what the film is about.
I can see The Rock DJ's point and magazines point that they were continuing a follow on from the brilliant set peices from the first film, to expect that is not typically tarantino tho i feel (again I sense the flamers heading this way). Why do people think there has been realatively little coverage and such radical differing opinions about the film.
The best way i can describe it in a way is to compare to The Truman show. I went in expecting a film with an actor in it that i liked. Other people that went in went in to see Jim Carrey doing a mask or Ace Ventura sort of thing. Expectations are hard to manage, for me Kil Bill 2 set no inital expectations, so I wasnt disappointed and indeed loved the film when I saw it for what it was.
How was the film shallow when it spent so much time building the characters and the plot? Surely americanised films (no offence anyone) like Independance day and other big block busters..etc. where the creme de la creme of patronising and being shallow?
Just out of interst for those who didnt like kill bill 2 (and are allowed not to btw) what are your personally favourite films?
AshuraKore
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I saw Kill Bill 2 a few days ago and i have to say its one of the most best films i've ever seen. The buried alive scene was superbly carried out and suitably terrifing. In the first film i sometimes felt it was just trying to be arty for arts sake and to score points with the critics. The second film was arty too but in all the right places.
I personally felt the '5 second bitch slap' ending was a stroke of sheer genius!
I personally felt the '5 second bitch slap' ending was a stroke of sheer genius!