Keep your spoiled little brats under control or leave them at home

My kids have never done that. They've cried while hungry, sick, thirsty, tired. But not because I wouldn't buy them something.

Actually Chris did once when he was 4. He stood in front of the cart and yelled at me because I wouldn't buy him a transformer. I told him to move before he got his ass whooped for talking to me like that. He didn't move. I whooped his ass. Some stupid bitch followed me to my car and took down my license plate number and child services showed up at my door.

That was the one and only time any of my kids have ever done something like that.

But that's not for the sake of society, or for your precious little ears. That's because my kids will not, ever, talk to me like that. I work to fucking hard and I don't talk to them like that.

Now, running around the store as long as they are within my eyesight, hiding in the clothes as long as they don't put their hands on the floor, generally being goofy and laughing, well that seems to bother most people. Only I don't care, because I'm not raising drones. I'm raising the harbingers of the apocalypse.
 
Good for you, however, I feel there needs to be some things addressed, DG:

  1. While your kids may be astonishingly practical, most people's kids just aren't.
  2. This isn't about you. I've sensed in most of these kinds of complaints you needed to come in to defend yourself. This is concerning parents who don't know how to raise their little shits and everyone else has to pay for it.
  3. With that stated, the exception does NOT make the rule on this. I still say if one has a loud child, bring them outside and threaten to never bring them anywhere but school and home again.
  4. Penis.
 
I'm NOT punishing my child because their crying bothers yours or anybody elses senses.

That's just a god damned fact.

This thread is about people saying that children should be spanked or separated from society for crying, because crying means that they are a bad child.

This is NOT correct. Crying is an expression of a severe emotion, and they have a right to that just like everyone else on the planet. No wonder people are so miserable in their lives if they believe that crying and the expression of emotion should be punished.
 
Everything is a severe emotion to a young child.

Punishing them when they cry for no reason teaches them what is a big deal and what isn't a big deal. If a parent never punishes their child for crying over everything then when they grow up the pattern will continue. At some point in everyone
 
When they're barely a toddler, yes. But we have more sophisticated ways of exhibiting emotion an discussion. It's called language. Teach your child to express themselves verbally, not through guttural wails and grunts.

Crying disrupts others. Encouraging the disruption of random people isn't necessarily what I'd consider an encouragable trait.

Moreover, crying is an expression of severe emotion. If all you can do is express severe emotion, however, then you cannot function well in society. You need to learn to express yourself in more detailed ways. Ergo, teaching children to emote properly is one of the things most parents refuse to acknowledge. I personally think this is due to parental instinct and not so much the hatred of the idea as, invariably, the parent will teach the child how o act properly.

Every one of my friends' kids act VERY well because they are expected to act a certain way. If they're angry, they explain why. They don't just go into a crying tantrum instantly. Moreover, because more is expected of them, they're also advanced in educational placement because they can express their concerns. They're happy, healthy, creative, and playful. They still have learned how to act properly.
 
I don't know, it makes me pretty sad when my ice cream cone falls over.

Are you saying that it is right to punish a child for crying when they lose something like their icecream?

Wow. I just can't hang with that one. Sorry, my kids are good kids because I listen and talk to them, as Avidity says, not because I punish them for crying. Avidity---we are talking about punishing them for crying, not talking to them or trying to understand them. Everyone so far, through two threads, seems to think that it is right to either smack a child for crying or remove them from society for crying. What kind of society doesn't allow a child to be sad when they are sad? Thats just wrong, IMO.

When they are sad or upset it is my job as a parent to understand why, not just to beat them or ground them or make them go sit outside. For some odd reason, I thought that was a basic fundamental of human society, having empathy, but I guess punishment is, if I were to take this thread as the whole of society.

Damn glad I don't teach my kids to be conformists and bow down to society's standards about their emotional state. Or any state, actually.
 
"If you don't stop crying I'll give you something to cry about."

Kids just cry to cry half the time. They want attention, they think if they cry their problem will be solved, whatever it is they need to learn that crying doesn't solve problems. If they skin their knee, then let them bawl their little eyes out, if they are just crying because the world didn't go their way then they need to learn life doesn't work like that.
It's not a conformist thing it's a functioning in society thing. If I cried because my teachers didn't give me enough partial credit, they would laugh at me. If I cried because my boss made me work Saturday and I couldn
 
And how many kids have you raised? Kids I know cry because they are sad, hurt, hungry, tired, or having a bad day. Kids also do not have the same size or growth of an adult brain to process emotions.

So, you are saying that it is OK to punish children for crying because YOU can't get good grades or handle your work schedule?

Children are children. Adults are adults. You can not expect a child to act like an adult because they do not have the same sized frontal lobes.

Think about it.
 
You can't coddle a child over everything, I realize that they will cry over things most adults won't cry over and that they process emotions differently. I also know that when I was a kid and started to whine about not getting a candy bar, a quick swat from my dad taught me that course of action was unacceptable.
 
I didn't say coddle, I said talk to. There's a difference.

And as I said, there's also a difference between crying because you don't get something, which I promptly ignore, and crying because you are sick, tired, sad, or hurt.

Those of you who don't have kids just think that all kids cry because they are not getting their way, and therefore every time a child cries they must be punished. Thats just stupid.

Did your dad spank you for crying when you were sick and had to wait in line for a prescription, or if you were a toddler and very tired, or as a baby and you had colic? If so, that would certainly explain why you can't keep your grades up or why you have to be irresponsible enough to party on work nights.
 
As other people have said this is not about you or anyone else in particular. You probably punished your children exactly when they needed it, in ways that brought them up wonderfully. I'm talking about the people who sit there while their kid screams saying shhh, shhh honey, ok I'll buy you this one candy bar. Or ignore it completely. Or the parents that let their kids trash everything in a store "because they're only kids".

And for your information I have good grades and manage my time very well.
 
When my kids want something I won't buy them, I tell them to go see if they can mow a lawn for the money or sell some of their old toys. If they keep crying about it, I ignore them and continue on with my shopping. But my kids don't really do this because they know exactly how much money they have to spend every time we go into a store and that is that.

I never said I was perfect. I've smacked my kids when I should have hugged them I'm sure, and the opposite is likely also true.

But:

I said I AM NOT GOING TO SPANK MY CHILD BECAUSE HIS OR HER CRYING UPSETS YOUR SOFT SENSIBILITIES.

I am not going to punish or remove my child because society thinks that showing emotion is bad. I am not going to punish my child for being curious, inquisitive, or fidgety because society does not like geniuses. And my children are very smart, and it is because I have always let them explore and learn on their own and never forced them to be dull obedient robots.

You read all the rest of that into that. You are the one who said that children cry all the time and mostly because they want something.
 
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