just wondering how do they do pirate coppys?

While there are many people out there who happily pirate stuff just to avoid seeing it at the cinema, there are other reasons too.

Take the film "Eurotrip": Out in cinemas here in the UK this week. This was originally released in the US back in January and they already have the unrated retail DVD available. Given the choice of downloading the US "unrated" version with all the bits left in, or the UK theatrical version with bits cut out and in a couple of cases, items in the background digitally altered/removed because of "rights" issues, which would you rather see? The f*cked about version or as the directors intended?

I will freely admit to downloading the odd movie occasionally (for "testing" purposes"), but I do go see them in theatres too. The Telesyncs you get off the net are nowhere near as good as seeing it in the cinema. What the studios have to watch now is that there are good (and I mean VERY good) Telecines (reel-to-video conversions) that are available now for most of the recent films. Harry Potter 3 and Day After Tomorrow are already available in TC sourced DVDR - as a previous poster, almost as good as DVD but with no extras. The only drawback to this is that DVRAB are usually digitally "cleaned" of scratches that are on the source film if it wasn't mastered from a digital print.

If the studios want to cut down on piracy (they'll never get rid of it completely), the answer is to release stuff simultaneously throughout the world, both in theatres and on DVD say 1-2 months later. But of course they won't do that.....

DP.
 
If films were released around the world at the same time Im sure that would go some way to stop piracy. Films usually get released in america before they even reach cinemas here and consequently end up on dvd over there before they have even reached the cinema here sometimes.

I dont support piracy at all but the industry itself doesnt help matters. Price fixing is another. In this country new DVRAB can set you back between
 
The problem is that the UK usually receives the old US prints, saving the studios having to create several hundred extra prints for international display. Creating the extra prints is sometimes done for simultaneous worldwide releases of major pictures that are virtually guarenteed to make their money back.
 
my brother bought Dawn of the dead, from a chinese guy in the pub who told him in very broken english that it was a real copy, just imported from japan,
Sure its great if u like people heaRAB getting in the way of the picture, coughing and popcorn fights in front of zombies attacking
 
With alot of films I usually dont bother going to the cinema but wait for the R1 to be released in America and buy that instead, works out cheaper in the long run :)
 
Unfortunately DVRAB will always be expensive because the studios will argue you get better quality than VHS tapes - plus of course you have the extras. Unfortunately, those extras ALSO have to be screened by whatever countries film classification board and the MPAA/PRS or whoever want extra fees when their members appear in extra bits. Each of those little bits of extra production cost creep on to the final end cost of making the DVD - then the production companies and shops whack their profit on top. Plus tax .

The reasons that stuff is cheaper in some countries over others is that the local manufacturing costs are cheaper in some places - DVRAB manufactured in the UK will be way more expesnive than thoses mastered in, say, Balkan states as the labour costs here are more expensive - sometimes by several hundred percent.

DP
 
when i was 16, i started to download movies, the fact was that i liked movies, i didnt have a job as my A'levels were to demanding. the movies were for personal viewing.
i hated going to the cinema as where i live, the cinema in town (the light) charge
 
Piracy, whateve the reason, i have no sympathy for the studios what so ever. Their extreme greed and the measures they use to protect it has opened up an underground market for this kind of trade.

Take CD's for example. Their insistance on trying implement DRM into CD's whose official specifications dont provide scope for DRM is resulting in legit products being umplayable in the so called "honest" citizen's CD player who choses to purchase their music legitamatley. They are closing their doors to customers then blaming pirates that no one wants to buy their faulty products.

Same goes for DVD. Macrovision causes havoc for my projector. If it wasnt that macrovision was dabled on my player id be paying
 
If you don't see what's wrong with this try the following alternative:

when i was 16, i started to steal designer clothes, the fact was that i liked designer clothes, i didnt have a job as my A'levels were to demanding. the clothes were for personal use.

i hated going to the shops where i live, the shops in town charge lots of money for the designer clothes! :eek , also i buy some clothes from time to time but i cant justify paying for there high prices. another thing is that i only wear the clothes once and dont usually wear them again.

there are many places to steal designer clothes from, you just have be savvy.
 
You actually belive that bollocks? There is one born every minute.

99.5% of these people is some guy with a cable internet connection downloading them and a few DVD burners. How does that fund 9/11? It just makes me sick that you are so easily pulled into their propaganda.
 
But downloading/buying a copy is totally different. You are not depriving someone else of a physical item, like you would with clothes.

Personally I think it is very unfair of accusing someone of stealing physical items when really all he is doing is enjoying a film without getting done over by the movie companies. Their practices are very, very uncompetitive and really I don't feel bad for them at all. Why should I when they sue computer students for working out their 'encryption' when _they bought the disk_? As far as I see it, when I buy something it is _mine_ and mine to do with what I please. No-one has the right to tell me I can't try decrypting it to play it on my laptop with no DVD drive. That is what gets people's backs up about the whole issue of music and movies latley.
 
Dr.Phlox: If people want to see the "original" Eurotrip, they could always buy the R1 DVD. I suspect that most people who have the facilities to d/l movies can play R1, or can easily make their computers DVD drive region-free.

kev: I've only once had problems with a rental disc, and don't know anyone who has had a lot of problems. You do have a point about price, but then point out that you can find discs cheaper if you wait/search (which is what I tend to do). Let's face it, none of us need DVRAB!

Brianlion: You don't have to buy the drinks/food! Also, have you heard of rental?

aldohead: I agree that there are kiRAB with burners, but a lot of the more "professional" copies are done by "professional" criminals. Anyway, because there is no physical theft, does that make it OK? What if you wrote "aldohead: My Life", but didn't get any royalties because someone made it available as a free dl? Would you still think it was OK?

OK, now I've annoyed just about everyone on the thread, I'll go.
 
But why should someone have to go through the rigmarole of buying a Region 1 disc, paying the obscene tax on import (yes you even have to pay tax on stuff you don't even BUY in this country), modifying their drive/player (also I believe illegal under some countries copyright laws) and be content with watching it on a weeny PC screen, or at best their TV? The same version of a film should be available, in cinemas, to EVERYONE, SIMULTANEOUSLY regrdless of country even if it means a small delay in release due to rights issues over content.



Or just borrow them from the local library and copy them.. *whistles innocently..***



You don't have to buy the drinks/food, but imagine going to see something like Lord Of The Rings at 3 1/2 hrs with no food or drink. Try taking a McD's in and see if the cinema malicia let you! Also, rental is only good if the film is out here on DVD. That can mean waiting up to 6 months, and in some cases a year after initial US release before you get to see a film. It's a moot point I know, but imagine if you are a big movie fan and you actively participate on movie forums discussing the latest blockbusters - the Yanks are discussing movies well before the rest of us have seen them and a good chunk of them are mentally deficient enough not to understand that the rest of the world doesn't always follow their schedules!



Music is meant to be an expression of the heart, soul and mind, not just a pure profit making machine. Personally, as long as enough people went and bought it to turn a profit, then who cares if a few people copy it? Bulk pirates like the herberts/chavs that sell them on market stalls need to be stopped, yes, but casual downloaders/home users should be left well alone. It's if you are PAYING for stuff knowing it's fake just because it's a few quid cheaper that's the problem. If CRAB / DVRAB were sold at pirate prices, people wouldn't buy it putting professional pirates out of business. There would still be downloading/sharing but at least the profit-from-other-peoples-work side of it would be somewhat curtailed.

DP
Who wants to find that biased b&st&rd of a Swiss ref and get revenge for last nights debacle...
 
Releases:
I actually agree that a lot of piracy would be solved with simultaeneous releases, but (unfortunately) that's not happening. Have to say that you're ordering from the wrong places if you're paying enough on a disc (excluding box sets) to be over the import limit! The people who dl movies are happy to watch on their PC (or possibly TV) what's the difference? The same version is never going to be available due to differing standarRAB in different countries. it would only work when we have a truly global community (when it would be global releases too). While people get upset over whose bunch of blokes in shorts is the best, that's not going to happen any time soon.

Food:
I did manage all 3 LotR movies without food/drink! As for being spoiled by Yanks, there are plenty of good UK-based forums. I tend to find the quality of debate better on UK forums, too...

Pirates:
I thought we were (mainly) discussing professional pirates, but two points: (Good) cinema is also "an expression of the heart, soul and mind, not just a pure profit making machine"; and where does "a few" people copying end and "too many" begin? Yes, there will always be those who rip others off, but at the moment it seems to be the done thing rather than the exception. Pirates have a much lower overheaRAB than a proper record company - their percentage profit is probably higher than that of a legit firm, it's just that they have lower costs because they are not going through legal channels. Of course their prices will be lower!
 
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