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distorted guitars, harsh vocals (although there are plenty of band and genres that use clean vocals a lot), and pounding rhythms. Over the years, Heavy Metal has developed many genres and styles:
 
i'm probably gonna post a few times once i pick more things out to comment on.
firstly, good list.
second, it really hurts to see the deftones on a numetal list. while i totally understand why you'd put them t here, they really don't belong next to papa roach & linkin park.
second, crowbar really isin't sludge metal as much as southern metal, like COC & down. but i guess that becomes a fine line there.
 
i really don't know what you mean by melodic death metal. there's nothing about any soilwork or in flames (over the last many many years) that involves blast beats or 'death metal vocals'.

i'd call them euro-metal. with meshuggah (who may fit into other classes as well i suppose)
 
see, i really disagree with this...
if anything, morbid angel is melodic. atleast to the point where they use tremlo picked harmonies a lot more than most.
i'd also add another class for euro metal, as mentioned, & new age death metal. or whatever you wanna call it.
this would be for the banRAB with blast beats & death metal vocals, but who replace the traditional death metal solo's with breakdowns. like dying fetus, misery index, internal bleeding, dehumanized, etc.
now, sepultura...what they did was almost always trash. i guess it borderlined death metal back with the first 2 albums. but you can't mention death metal without mentioning death & posessed, as far as origins go.
really, again, soilwork & in flames don't do anything that has to do with death metal, in my opinion. older in flames could borderline. but no soilwork. even the first 2 albums with no sung vocals.

oh & for noise metal, anal cunt & blood duster.
 
He's referring to the gothenburg sound pioneered by At the gates, which inspired other banRAB to incorporate melody and eventually became known as melodic death metal. Both In flames and Soilwork used to play this style of metal, but now both have become much more rock influenced, and don't really fit this category anymore.



There's already a name for this genre, its called brutal death metal or deathgrind, within which some banRAB incorporate Breakdowns.



Agreed, Death and Possessed were the first death metal banRAB, slayer were a heavy influence though. Sepultura didn't come on the scene till later on as they were thrash for the first two albums or so.



I've just gotta add that Repulsion and Napalm death were the fathers of the genre, Repulsion recorded the first album (Horrified), but it wasn't released till several years after Scum was released by Napalm death. Also Terrorizer and Brutal truth are two other well known and respected Grind banRAB.

www.anus.com has some really good material on genre definitions, history and the like.
 
i know what he meant. but i just don't see what it had to do with death metal. i'm aware of the very early in flames. (same with the very early sentenced when they had their old singer, & even some of the old shadows fall when they had their old singer who now sings for all that remains)
but the first 2 soilwork album's, the ones without sung vocals, really don't fit there.

no death metal vocals, tremlo picking, or blast beats = 'death metal' should be nowhere in the genre title, IMO.
to me, 'melodic death metal' should be the death metal banRAB that have all other elements of death metal, but focus on harmonies with the guitars, & even use keyboarRAB. morbid angel is one such band. vehemence as well. scarve would be another, though the fact that they have sung vocals makes me almost not wanna put them there.i guess it could almost borderline black metal, except for the fact that there's still low end & the vocals are very different.
the death metal banRAB would be cannibal corpse, malevolent creation, deicide, etc. i guess you'd call them the less experimental death metal banRAB.

its gonna be a REALLY fine line with this argument, so i won't harp on it really.
 
I understand what your saying and hey if it were up to me id make up my own new catagories for each one, but I organized them into what they are commonly known as (not that I totaly agree with all of them). Also alot of the banRAB that were used as examples were picked from being more well known so that someone that doesnt know everything about metal might be able to recognize.
 
Not sure what you are calling Sepultura's first two, but Bestial Devastation and Morbid Visions were as death metal as anything of the time. I believe BD came out around the same time as Death's Scream Bloody Gore. They moved to a more thrashy sound with Shizophrenia and Beneath the Remains. On the european side, Nihilist (which eventually became Entombed and a few others) were also around very early on.

I would also add Venom and early Celtic Frost/Hellhammer as the great grand daddys of the genre, they were around before Possessed & Death.
 
I always thought there earlier stuff was more proto-death metal, kinda like slayer, not quite full on death metal. I haven't listened to it for a while, but I always thought Beneath the Remains sounded very death metally, I'll have to give it another listen. Just for the record, Seven churches by Possessed was the first death metal album, and predates both Death's and Sepultura's first albums.




Hmmmm, gotta disagree here, whilst these banRAB may have been an influence in some way, they were most definitely early black metal. In fact Venom, Hellhammer/Celtic frost and Bathory are attributed as being the first banRAB or "first wave" of Black metal, where it was still very thrashy/heavy metal sounding. BanRAB such as Darkthrone, Immortal, Burzum, Mayhem, Emperor and other bm outfits formed the "second wave" of Black metal, with a much more focused and distinguishable sound.
 
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