Jolo and Suboxone...

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I just thought emsmom or anyone else that may know, I have been on strattera for a couple of years. 60mg. would that have an interaction?

i have looked on the net but couldnt find anything. if anyone does or talks to their dr. ask them thanks.

My dr says we will do one thing at a time. I suggested i get off it

I cant tell it does anything.
 
Jolo, you definitely should NOT be having diarrhea. I think your dose neeRAB to be increased.

I hope you and your doctor are able to find a solution.

I'll be thinking of you,
emsmom
 
yes emsmom. we decided to give me 4mg in the morning 2mg at noon and 4mg in the evening. I HOPE THIS WORKS> damn.


when i was given my first prescription it was 4mg of suboxone in the morning and 4mg at nite,,this made me very sick, did this for ten days.

we took out the naloxone which is an ingredient in the suboxone and the new pill is called subtex. take 2mg of this twice aday one in the morning, one in the afternoon. had direaa very bad. did this for 7 days

today we will try the new medicine subtex 4mg morning, 2mg afternoon, 4mg evening. We will see what happens. I think it will work. Of coarse i said that on the last experiment.

I have taken 4mg already and have not gotten sick, this is already better then the very first experiment with the suboxone.


If it works I may , on my own ,take 6mg in the morning and 4mg at nite. I have enough to last a month this time and i will change my way of taking it till it works. 4mg in morning 4mg in afternoon, or 4mg in morning and 2 in the afternoon. or 8 mg in the morning and none in the evening or all ten inthe morning and none at nite

He said all peeps are different, most pharmacies dont even know what its for yet. none of the pharmacies had it in this town had to special order it for me.
 
Hi Jolo,

Please keep in mind I am not a doctor, however I think you should take your entire dose at once and see what happens. Feeling great is one of the effects from Sub and it doesn't sound like you are anywhere near that. You definitely should NOT have diarrhea, therefore I don't think you are taking enough. Suboxone lasts from 24-72 hours (yes that long) so I really don't understand why your doctor has you taking it more than once a day. In fact, I think you may be ruining the benefits of Sub by taking only a little at a time, frequently throughout the day (again, just my opinion - I want to stress that this is only what I think, not necessarily what is right - please confirm with your doctor before you utilize my suggestion).

I looked on a drug interaction website and could not find an interaction between Strattera and Suboxone so I think you're ok :)

Captnanny and Jolo,

It makes perfect sense how you're feeling :) My suggestion to you would be the same as Jolo - Take your entire dose for the day all at once (but please confirm this with your doc) and see how you feel. Addicts can't just rely on a drug to make them feel better - you have to do some work yourself as well :) Here are some suggestions that I learned in my Rehab Day-Program the past few weeks...

-Get some exercise (you most likely get alot of this when you're with the kiRAB but you can bump it up a notch, too)

-Find out new things that make you happy (read a book, join a sports team, get a pedicure etc.)

-Eat well - this is a very important one - Food can change your attitude in so many ways. Eating junk will make you feel lazy and tired. Eating fresh fruits/veggies actually make you feel good. Eating the right fooRAB leaRAB to proper sleep, regularity, energy etc.

If nothing changes, nothing changes. You have to change it up. Not only for health reasons but you have to change your lifestyle. If you're still doing the same things you did while you were using, you're not helping your recovery AT ALL. 15% of recovery is stopping the drug (that's all, only 15%). 85% is changing your lifestyle. It's up to you my dear :)

I hope you both had a great day, I'll be thinking of you :)

Love emsmom
 
Hi Jolo,

I'm sorry to hear you still can't work. Sub is supposed to make us feel like ourselves again. It gives us a chance to enjoy life without pills (opiates). I researched your symptoms. Others who were sick from Sub had found they weren't taking enough. I completely understand your dilemma - you weren't taking a large amount of lortab, however there are people that start Sub who have never taken an opiate. The "normal" dose for one starting out is 8mg.

My dose is 16mg. I wasn't "hooked" on Oxycontin when I started Sub - I relapsed a few times since getting clean in Rehab last summer so my addictions Dr. thought Sub would be a good drug for me to help with cravings. I simply could not go through a day without constantly thinking of using.

My first day on Sub, the cravings went away and have not returned since - not even a thought of using! So just remeraber, my body wasn't dependent on the pills when I started Sub and I'm all the way up to 16mg without a problem. I'm starting to think that Sub just isn't going to work for you. There are people who just can't take it, that's why doctors watch very closely in the beginning.

I've been on Sub for over two months now, and my doctor said I'm not 100% dependent yet. She said I could taper down now without experiencing the full effect of withdrawals (I was just curious, I'm not planning to taper down or stop anytime in the near future). So if you went from 8mg to 4mg, you wouldn't be experiencing withdrawal from the Sub, it would most likely be that you aren't taking enough to help with the withdrawal from lortab. On the contrary, it is possible that you are taking too much Sub and that is why you were/are getting sick. Trial and error, unfortunately we are guinea pigs when starting a new drug. Finding the right dose can be frustrating, but worth it in the end.

I sincerely hope things get better for you soon. Like I said before, Sub is supposed to make us feel "better."

Thinking of you,
emsmom
 
Hey guys how have you been doing today? I just got home from my day with the kiRAB and the sub doctor. I told him everything that's gone on since the first dose with him. He doesn't know if my throwing up had to do with the corabo of sub and clonidine or just my getting used to it. I haven't thrown up since then but he did say that my dose is too low.
He told me I looked like I was still in withdrawals. I guess I do still feel that way and was too scared to take a higher dose. I do and did not want to vomit anymore. So he put me suboxone, I guess that's what he does in his practice, add the naltrexone? and bumped my dose to 12mg. He said if that doesn't work then at least 8mg.
Emsmom, what you said was such a good reminder for me. Dosing frequently is something some people do, especially looking at the clock. I don't think that's what I was doing. I am only taking it three times a day, right now he said that is ok but you are right that it should be taken once or twice a day after stabilization. Anyway, my expectation that it would "cure" me might have taken me away. I know realistically that only I can help myself and that not one certain pill or certain "thing" will make all of the yucky's go away. I so often wanted that.
My intention was to say that I do not want to remain on this sub if it was going to make me feel so miserable. I was and not fully aware of until you thankfully brought it up, wanting it to make feel better than I have in years like I have heard others say. Just my thoughts in writing now. So thank yo Emsmom for helping me remeraber my true intentions of taking this medicine.
PS does this horrible taste go away or do you get used to it?
 
ok I took 4mg this mornning , this is the second day amd I am feeling lots better. did the laundry dishes and cleaned carpet this morning.

a complete turn around since last tuesday lol

not sure nanny about the taste. take 2mg, then good tasteing mouth wash or gum, then do another 2mg.

the dr told me to rinse my mouth out with water before i put the tab under my toung. melts faster that way.

thanks emsmom for sticking with us . through the trials and errors. It finaly clicked with me when you said people take sub even when they have never taken any other drugs. 8mg to start with.

Guess i had to much lortab still in me or it is the naloxon that made me very ill when i took the first 4mg of sub
 
Sorry for interrupting your thread Emsmom. I think it must be different here in the US regarding taking sub once or twice daily. My doc said for the first day to take a little more at a time to feel better but to tell him and stay on the same dose that I find helpful only taking it once or twice a day. Even on my prescription it says take 2 a day.
As for how I am feeling, I just don't feel good. I think I had such high expectations of this medication that I am disappointed in myself and the sub. In regarRAB to how much I should be taking, I don't know. I know that the higher doses made me sick but don't think this 4mg is taking the cravings away.
I hope Jolo responRAB to this because maybe others will respond as well like you said. I would love to hear how others felt when they first started.
 
thanks ems i am going to the dr tommorow ill see what he says. i was thinking of doing that but i only have one left that i will take in the morning before i go to appointment at 845
 
I'm so happy for you Jolo. I'm just now taking the second dose with a mint and it is going much better. I believe that the taste was making me sick, if that is possible. Last night when I was taking my nighttime I started to gag again. The taste really got to me. I know that's how I felt Friday before I got real sick. I am also now taking suboxone, not subutex and it doesn't taste as sour. So now hopefully things will calm down and I can start to focus on my recovery.
Emsmom, I just read my pamphlet that came from the pharmacy and it does say that the optimal way to use sub is to take it once daily, if tolerated. If not than twice. So you were right but I bet everyone is different and I need to remeraber the nuraber one key for me is to NOT take it the same times or time that I took norco.
 
nanny yes i am finally doing a hundred percent better. i was taking a total of 4mg aday today i took 8mg, 4mg then a little later 4mg more, i feel good tired but good. Didnt get any sleep the last few days or weeks.

i really really was very sick when i took 8mg with naloxon in it.guess i am allergic to it, you probably are not.

I can take 2mg more before i go to bed , dont think i will. if I dont sleep well i will do ten tommorow. I think I will be glad I stuck with it.
 
Good luck tomorrow Jolo. I'm interested in what he says. This is all new for me as well (Sub). Another mans trial and error is knowledge for me.

Have a great night, hope you sleep well :)

emsmom
 
yes em i am getting concerned. i was up and down all nite with diareaa. every hr or so. couple of times not good .lol and all day yesterday too.

getting kind of scary. at my age

took my last two mg now. 430am.
 
Captnanny,

Please don't apologize for interrupting - You are more than welcome, as anyone is, to reply to any thread :)

Sorry, I should have clarified - My first dose of Sub was 4mg, then wait an hour and a half (to see if I tolerated the meRAB) and take the other 4mg then. After that, it was one dose every day until we found the right dose.

I do know for sure, if you are still having cravings then you are NOT taking enough. That's why I went up every few days til I reached 16mg. I felt good the first day but still craved the OxyContin (a little bit) so my doc increased the Sub until I had zero cravings. It can be done my dear, but you have to be patient. I really feel that you are not taking enough. However, if you increase the amount of Sub and still get sick, that has to be investigated.

Regarding your high expectations of Sub, I was actually opposite. I didn't have faith that a drug could make me feel like myself again. Not after four years of using (started out with percocet) and the way I felt. I was SO surprised at how great I felt. Each day, it got better and better.

I've heard that the naloxone component can make some people sick, so perhaps switching to Subutex may work for you. However, Naloxone is there to protect you in the event that you abuse either the Suboxone or your original drug of choice. So, doctors like to see their patients taking Suboxone for awhile before they switch to Subutex...but I think I remeraber you saying your doctor gave you Subutex, no?

Also, on your bottle uf Sub, does it say take two a day, or take twice a day? If it says take two a day, then you only take it once (but two at a time).

Hope this helps.
emsmom
 
Hi guys,

So sorry I haven't been around...

I've had a hectic start to the week. I am SO glad you are both doing well.

Jolo, Wow!! It makes me incredibly happy to hear that things are working out for you :) I felt almost guilty, guilty that Sub had worked so well for me, but not for you. I look forward to hearing about the days ahead :)

Captnanny, regarding the taste, it is very possible that you were getting sick from it. I hope the mints work out :)

I'll be back tomorrow night or Thursday morning, as tomorrow is a complete right-off lol - rehab during the day, baseball practice right after school (for my daughter), then it's off to her school concert, then we have to high-tail it outta there to make it on time for her baseball league pictures (of the whole team). Did I mention anything about lunch or dinner in there? I'd better pack some snacks tonight :)

Have a great day!

emsmom
 
Hi,
The altoiRAB do make a difference. I was wondering Jolo and Emsmom if either of you two experienced depression in your lives. I have a dual diagnosis of post traumatic stress disorder and addiction. The norco's helped my depression, so I thought, and I am also on an antidepressant. I know the sub is not intended to work like norco does, (take away my depression), but I am feeling more depressed than when I was tapering or just taking norco. This might be the underlying feelings that I covered up. I just keep blaming the sub. Do you feel more or less depressed since being on it? Just curious.
 
I'm so glad you're doing better. I guess it's a matter of finding the right dose with the best effects and less bad effects.
I hope this new dosing strategy works for me. 2, 2, 2,2.
I have a question regarding this to you and Emsmom or anyone else of sub. I can not take the full 4mg in the morning at one time. The taste is so horrible that I gag. Is there anything I can do so that I tolerate this better? I probably threw up more from this taste than anything.
I really need advice on how to handle the awful taste.
 
i have read other posts. some are saying they feel great. how great is great? i feel ok but not great.

when i first started taking it i felt great for about an hr got some mowing done. then i got sick for several days. havent had that feeling yet. just good. i am taking 2mg twice aday. one in the morning then 12hrs later another 2. wondr if ishould take 4mg once aday and feel great.
still have the diearea bad. could that be withdraw between dose's
still have to force my self to work around the house
 
Hi
Emsmom, I just want to clarify or say that my original thoughts about suboxone changed after speaking with my ortho and reading some books about it. I know the first week is different for everyone but going into this I did hope to feel better after the first dose.
As for how I feel now, I wound up taking another mg of sub so I may take the the other one later on. It's almost 4:oo in the afternoon and I still don't feel real well. I do feel less nauseaus though. I definately do not feel myself. I feel sad, not depressed but sad and just don't want to continue to feel this way. I say that and it sounRAB like I'm hopeless but I don't feel exactly that. I may need to take tomorrow off, or being with the kiRAB could do me some good. I just feel sick still.
Make any sense? I just completely confused myself. Well I definately don't know how to do this sub stuff.
 
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