Japan: "No cause for alarm"

On Wed, 23 Mar 2011 08:18:11 -1000, dsi1 wrote:


The second x who takes in a child and treats him/her like one of
his/her own is extra special.

Yeah, that's the way I feel about my dad's second wife. She's a very
nice person, but I don't consider her my step-mother.

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
 
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J. Clarke wrote:


We? And the last time you designed a reactor was when, exactly?


Clearly you're far more astute than either of those well known scientists.
Sheesh, go take a pill.

So you know more than him.

You're definitely in the grip of some substantial delusions.

But hey, maybe I'm wrong. Since you've busied yourself telling everyone here
how you know more than them as well as more than emminent scientists,
suppose you state your qualifications to pontificate like you do on all
things nuclear.
 
In article ,
[email protected] says...

The real story is that monitoring stations in California that were set
up to detect unauthorized nuclear tests by looking for very minute
amounts of specific substances have found very minute amounts of those
substances. They haven't even necessarily detected an increase in
radiation--that's not how they're monitoring.



Most of the panick-stricken reports of radiation reaching the West Coast
seem to be from netloon sites of one sort or another--took a while to
trace them back to that source.

As for 16.4 times of radioactive iodine, you'd have to drink about
60,000 gallons of that seawater to get to the OSHA annual limit exposure
for ingested radioactive iodine.

Sounds like the information they reported was quite accurate--they gave
a number, they said it's not something to worry about, they're right.
Unless you question their number.
 
"J. Clarke" wrote:


Economic, provide free abortions on demand and tax the crap out those that
have large families. You must have had a double dose of radiation on the
brain already.



Is it cheaper? To run power lines that leak energy for hundreds of miles.
To build all those towers and copper lines are not cheaper. The city folks
want the power without suffering the Heath consequences. Nuclear is not
safe, grab a megaphone and go to Japan and tell them that!

--
Enjoy Life... Nad R (Garden in zone 5a Michigan)
 
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Pete C. wrote:


Solar could do it if the transmission lines were buiilt, especially with
some more innovation in the silicon receptors. I wonder which is more
expensive and which is safer in the long run. Environmental concerns seem to
be the big hangup in the transmission lines.

In the meantime I wish they would quit this silly ethanol crap, given the
amount of fossil fuels required to produce the ethanol in the first place
and the impact on the world's food supply caused by this marginal solution.
..

See? I knew this topic was about food.
 
J. Clarke wrote:

The mess is worse than merely "in cold shutdown". The clean up will be
a major project.


Irrational folks use every tactic to try to rid the world of nuclear
power. One such tactic is to never clean up anything ever.
 
Andy wrote:

Accurate information is indeed being disclosed. The two problems are:

- The bureaucracy, particularly in the utility, means that the
information takes some time to propagate from the engineering department
to the public relations department. This means that what is reported is
entirely true, but from a day or two ago.

- The information reported is too technical for the general public to
understand, which leads them to believe the hype and false information
being propagated around the 'net.
 
Nunya Bidnits wrote:

Sorry, you are sadly mistaken. Improvements in solar electric generation
only improve efficiency, they do not in any way resolve the fundamental
problem with solar energy. Solar only provides generation for half the
day, the time zones of the US only extend that by three hours. Would you
tolerate living with electricity only between say 8am eastern time and
8pm pacific time?


No amount of transmission lines will ever solve solar power's
fundamental half day generating window. Only a viable utility scale
energy storage device can ever solve this problem. Currently available
utility scale storage options are pumped hydroelectric and compressed
air storage, both of which are horribly inefficient and both of which
have few locations where they can be situated.

The inefficiency of solar power generation combined with the
inefficiency of current utility scale energy storage technology mean
that solar power can never account for more than a tiny percentage of US
daytime power needs unless an entirely new energy storage technology is
found.

Solar power also has significant environmental issues as well which are
conveniently ignored by it's promoters. The promoters of solar energy
love to quote the nominal wattage of solar energy received per square
foot of the earth, however they are loathe to note how many square feet
of collector area is required to collect during a 15 hour generating
window (sunrise east coast to sunset west coast) the power needed by the
US for a given day.

The only way that solar can make up any significant percentage of US
power demand is if solar PV panels are installed on all existing roof
area of every building in the US. This would require such installations
to be owned and managed by utilities, since most consumers can neither
afford to install $50k of solar panels on their roofs, nor maintain
them. Even if this were done, it will only provide power during that 15
hr generating window, and the power for the remaining 9 hours has to
come from other sources.


Ethanol is certainly a crock and a waste of resources, but so is solar.
Solar can never provide more than 60% of the total US energy demand
under the absolute most optimistic conditions, unless an entirely new
energy storage technology is found.

Even if a suitable energy storage technology is found, the environmental
issues around production and installation of thousands of square miles
worth of PV panels with 20-25 year service lives makes solar electricity
generation decidedly "non green".

Solar thermal is the only thing that makes large scale sense, so people
should be installing solar hot water heaters to reduce electricity and
natural gas consumption.
 
In article , nunyabidnits@eternal-
september.invalid says...

What leads you to believe that "they" can determine the maximum energy
that can be released by a given fault?
 
[email protected] wrote:

There are plenty of aerial photos of the area on the news.

Two of the exterior concrete containment buildings are completely
trashed with their rebar visible. The concrete chunks are visible in
the photos and are all smaller than cars. The steel reactor vessels
are visible inside what used to be the two containment buildings. They
have their original shapes. This means there are no fuel rods from the
reactors that have come out of the reactor cores. Plenty of radiation
has been released but on a scale much lower than Chernobyl where the
fuel rods did melt and were released into the environment.

The cooling ponds for the spent fuel rods are also visible in the aerial
photos. They have damage on the surface. They are still filled with
water therefore no fuel rods are missing from there either.

The radioactive material that has been leaked is serious but does not
include the fuel rods which is where the worst of the radiation is.

Major clean up project.
 
Japan: "No cause for alarm"

On Mar 22, 2:56?am, Andy wrote:


I get a sense of bullshit. There is so much money to be made in
nuclear power that it's not in anyone's interest to tell the truth if
it's something really bad. Nuclear reactors are exploding, catching
fire, releasing steam and smoke all over the place because they had no
power for a week, the pumps are down, the cooling water has all either
leaked out or evaporated away, nobody knows exactly what is going on
in there because it's too dangerous for anyone to get close enough to
see, but nonetheless all you really hear is "Oh, everything is fine,
more or less." I find it difficult to believe that everything is
"fine" in the shattered shell of a building that has exploded and that
no one can approach.
 
On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 09:58:38 -0400, J. Clarke wrote:


Is that really unusual? Does the media and the government really want
us to know?

Look at all the financial crisis's we've had (2000, 2008 most
recently). How much of the games banks and investment firms were
playing were reported in the media?

Do not think for one minute the media tells us everything we need
to/want to/should know.

-sw
 
On 3/22/2011 4:24 AM, dsi1 wrote:

Sorry about the loss of your aunt. My late stepfather came over to
repair my garage door, and he accidentally cut about 1/2" off the end of
one finger. Blood was everywhere, I rushed over to him and he turned his
back to me claiming "It is no big deal!". He wrapped a handkerchief
tightly around his finger and kept working. You never knew when he was
sick, he never complained. I miss him. :-(

Becca
 
On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 23:24:10 -1000, dsi1 wrote:


Stoic. What made me realize that was the day after the earthquake
when American news reporters were all saying how calm the Japanese
people in the devastated area were, but the words from the Japanese
government to them were "calm down" - not "we're getting help to you
as fast as we can"... just calm down. Sheesh.

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
 
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