Israel's right to exist v.lotsofreadingwithfacts(long read, no cliffs)

Why does Israel control the Golan Heights?

Now lets take a look at history. How did the Romans, British, French, Spaniards, Russians, Americans, and just about every other country gain land? By means of war. The only difference being that all those countries I mentioned were aggressors whereas Israel took the lands when they were attacked.
 
It's funny how UN resolutions only apply to Israel... but Muslim nations are exempt from them

the UN is a clown organization which does nothing and can do nothing...

the UN wanted to put Syria on the human rights commission

The Muslim nations and France just use the UN to pass resolution after resolution of anti-Israeli rhetoric
 
Do you honestly believe this to be true?

I'm far from pro-Israel, but the occupations have merely been sparks to the tinder of the religious tensions in the region. Withdrawing from their occupied territories isn't going to make the Arabic nations like Israel.
 
So you want Israel to annex more territory? If so, you are giving the Muslim youth even MORE reasons to start paying attention to radical Islam.

Lebanon may need less land, but Israel, in many people's eyes, deserves NO AMOUNT of land. The Mediterranean Sea is where Israel belongs to.
 
I'm not talking badly. I'm merely stating facts. I haven't seen a Brit going in and blowing himself up, nor have I seen a Spaniard do it, only Arabs. That's not speaking badly, that's fact.
 
You're right, basing ownership of land based on what happened thousands of years ago is pointless. The current way to base ownership is on war...afterall, that's how most nations are formed. So, the lands that Israel "took"...care to tell me how they "took" them? Oh that's right, when they were attacked by several countries at the same time. They lost, therefore, lost some land.
 
The Lebanese Army can't control it's borders. When a group, that is part of the government, attacks another nation, said nation has the right to defend itself.

If Lebanon was really interested in controlling all of its borders it would have allowed the current resolution to allow UN troops in under Chapter 7. Chapter 7 authorizes UN troops to engage Hezbollah if they try to attack Israel again. But Lebanon did not allow that to happen. The new UN force is going to be as useful as UNIFIL which has been in southen Lebanon for 28 years and achieved nothing.
 
The US vetoes anti-Israel resolutions. Thus proving to the Islamic world that we are basically Israel's attack dog. No other country is as blind and suicidal in supporting Israel.
 
like i said previously...a country does not have a right to exist if it is not sovereign. If you think Israel is independently sovereign you really are dense.
 
Wonderful logic, and by that logic, Russia, Spain, Ireland, and Iraq all should have given up their land(to Israel, since it loves foreign land ) to someone else because they have internal problems of their own.

Spain with the Basque terrorist group. Russia with the Chechnyan terrorists. Ireland due to its IRA. Iraq due to the fact that the Iraqi army can't control ANYTHING.

But let's take this to my house example. If I can't control what goes on in my house, that automatically gives someone else(who does not own my house) the right to come in and restore order?

I don't think so. The only place Israel can stay in is its OWN land.



I find chapter 6 more useful. If Israel was serious about stopping this conflict, it would have removed all of its forces from occupation once again.
 
Except for the super powers every country gets backing from others. I guess Russia and China should stop selling arms to Iran, Syria, Egypt, and such countries. Without the world super powers nobody would have enough arms to do much more than throw rocks at each other.
 
Israel was withdrawing, and forcebly moved it's people, out of lands it was giving back to the Palestinians...what did they get in return? More suicide bombings. Plus, do you really expect Israel to release terrorists? That's like Mexico kidnapping American soldiers and demanding that to get them back the US needs to release Mexicans that have committed crimes here. It's not going to happen. The only thing that happens by releasing prisoners is that you give the terrorists more power and they will attack and again because they know what you will give them.
 
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