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I'm sorry man, you're absolutely wrong. Ultimately what did create Israel was their victory in the 1948 War for Independence (and many others wars that followed). Had they lost, there would be no Israel. They won and thus there is an Israel, defined by their choice of borders not the U.N's. There are really no two ways to say this.



If the palestinians didn't behave like animals, they would not be treated like animals. No one doubts that if tomorrow the palestinians put down their arms and elected a peaceful leader, every checkpoint would be removed and not a single home would ever again be demolished. Israel would even re-withdraw from Gaza and according to Olmert even the West Bank, giving them for the first time in history, a state of their own. Israel has no interest in these shithole pieces of land, other than as security buffers. Instead they voluntarily choose to behave like animals, worse than ever even, and thus will continue to live lives under military authority.
 
Wanting something "back" suggests that it was once theirs. Please tell at what point in history ANY Arabs ever controlled modern day Israel. Jews wanting Israel "back" is a hell of a lot more logical than Arabs wanting it. Hell, Italians have more of a claim to the land than the "palestinians" do, at least at one point in time their ancestors controlled the land... which is more than the current Arabs claiming to be indigenous can claim. Moreso, Israel won the land in war, several wars, and it is now and will always be theirs. Stop trying to pass historical fiction off as fact to those that don't know better, kthx.
 
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You need to google what year muhammad was even BORN then look at what year Kings David/Soloman/etc ruled Israel on that land. I think you'll find a 1000+ year difference. You've obviously also never read or heard about that whole Jesus story either... you know... before Muhammad was even born. Who was STILL there living in Israel (under Roman occupation) including Christ himself, his disciples, and all the rest of the people in the story? Oh yeah, those pesky Jews.
 
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