Islamic group gives warning to South Park creators for 200th episode...

Haven't they heard the "Don't like it? don't watch it" procedure?

And if they REALLY cared about their religion, woudn't they figure out that murdering inoccent bystanders in the name of God is.....blashemous?
:shrug:

Note: I mean this about the radicals who use religion to pursue their agendas.
 
Tolerance, you say. Do you really think that the fanatical point of view is the only one for the Muslim faith? Or that it's the one that is indisputably the most agreed upon?

It isn't.

I'll say this. There are radical groups in the United States that are a hell of a lot bigger than twelve idiots in a New York office. We don't bend to every stupid thing that they all say and do.
 
This "little group" wants to scare a whole nation through death threats and force their views onto others through death and violence.

Give them what they want and you're as bad as they are.
 
We could debate the issue of whether or not the mere visual depiction of Mohammad counts as blasphemy, despite what some claim there's never been anymore consensus within Islam on the finer points of doctrine then there has been among Christians.

All of which is beside the point, this isn't about Mohammad, South Park or Islam. This is about people who think they can use violence and fear to silence any voice they don't like, that's how terrorism works, that's the whole point of terrorism. It would be no different if some crazed fanboy started threatening people over South Park's depiction of their favorite celebrity.

The people who made this threat are going to treat CC's decision as a victory, as vindication, as proof that the enemy is weak willed and unwilling to defend himself. And I'm not just talking about radical Muslims here, every whack job with an agenda and a barrel of fertiliser is going to treat this as an open invitation.

The real question here isn't whether or not you think Matt and Trey should be allowed say nasty things about Mohammad, it's whether you're willing to live in a world where society lets it's self be dictated to by a handful of fanatics with bombs.
 
Yet Comedy Central was skiddish about depicting Mohammad four years ago, when no threats were being made. I think there's a very good chance - threats or not - the same thing would have happened again. While I agree that the whole nonsense about these threats is incredibly ridiculous I still believe there are lines of appropriateness that shouldn't be crossed in the first place. If a religion believes the depiction of their God is sacrilegious and CC has already shown in the past that they won't allow him to be depicted on the show (Super Best Friends notwithstanding) I really wonder why Parker and Stone thought it was possible to get away with it without incident this time.

Sometimes giving in to the small things (at the end of the day it's a matter of CC censoring something an entire religion believes is blashpemous) is a necessary evil. I'd rather see this happen than something much more important - say, our government - giving in to a real threat.

In the end this isn't as big a deal as some say it is. Better safe than sorry is the name of the game here, and I support Comedy Central's decision. Personally I really don't think the people making these threats are personally capable of much and, yes, maybe in this instance they "won", but I personally think the issue is a little broader than a few radicals making threats. I'm not a religious person in any way, shape or form, but if the belief that the depiction of Mohammad shouldn't be allowed is something Muslims so strongly believe it why not just let it be? And while I no longer watch South Park I've still always applauded their insistence on pointing out the things in the world we live in that are stupid. But this is a line I'm surprised they thought they could cross.
 
This is pretty much what I wanted to say but you worded it a lot better than I possibly could.

Sure, you could say that this was a small issue and nothing big was lost in the long run. But what happens next? What if the death threats become larger and larger until you decide "OK, that's it. I've had enough". At what point you're willing to take the risk and stop living in fear?

By letting the small things kick in, you leave the door open for the BIG things to happen. THAT'S the problem here.
 
And whose to say that if Comedy Central had handled it the completely opposite way we'd be dealing with something worse than the inability to see a couple South Park episodes?

Again, the stance a majority of you have on this is pretty easy to have from the comfort of your computer. The internet makes it easy for people to carry the "That's not how I would have done it" opinion. Again, I think CC would have somehow censored the episode regardless. They've done it once before.
 
You can't reason with people like that, plain and simple.

You can't reason with close-minded individuals that don't realize that there is are BILLIONS of people in the world, and that you cannot use violence against everyone one of those billion who speaks ill of Mohammad.
 
I think there are some sects of Christianity that also think it's blasphemy to portray God and/or Jesus in media. But they're not loud and threatening, so nobody cares.


I'll say this, I do understand the viewpoint that Comedy Central might want to back away from this sort of thing. But what's frustrating about this particular instance is the backpedaling. Going back and changing what's already been put out there, or trying to erase it altogether. And this is Trey & Matt's key sticking point as well. The last time they were prohibited from showing Muhammad, they were saddened, but not necessarily angry. But this time they gave CC what they thought was an acceptable product, and CC still censored it. Heavily. I'm assuming 201 got no closer to showing Muhammad than 200 did, but CC tightened their standards some time in between -- and apparently didn't tell them about it. And so the end result was the only episode that Trey & Matt couldn't say they were proud of.
 
Give in on the small things? This isn't haggling, these people aren't trying to negotiate with us. Do you think they're going to say "well you guys did see our way on the Mohammad thing, so it's only fair we let our women dress in miniskirts." All terrorist demands whether big or small (and there will be bigger ones later) boil down to the same thing; "do what we say or you die."



Key phrase here, Muslim's believe that depictions of Mohammad are blasphemous. I am not a Muslim, you I take it are not a Muslim, Trey and Matt are not Muslims, none of us are required to adhere to the strictures of Islam anymore then a Hindu is required to abstain from meat on Good Friday.
 
Count me in with the "screw censorship" crowd.


What's sad is these guys don't realize that they are trying to deny other people the same right that allows them to spew their jive in the first place.
 
/sarcastic

GWOtaku and Macattack, I am deeply offended by you posting pictures of the humble, sacred and holy Mohammad.

I'm going to have to ask you to take those down or something bad might happen to you.

I know where you live!

Btw, this isn't a threat or anything.....

This was not a stern warning or anything, just a demonstration of my disapproval through non-violent threats of absurdity.
 
But that's the case for the terrorists themselves as well. All the threats were done through the Internet. Now that this has happened, what's to stop anyone with Internet access to use death threats to get what they want?

If you're going to pull the "you're behind the Internet, that's easy for you to say!", why not say the same thing to the terrorists? "You're just behind a computer, why should I take your threat seriously?"

Again, my fear is that this may be the trigger to something worse. THAT'S what scares me.
 
Well with this being the talk of the town recently, I might as well as give my two cents on the matter. Now this entire situation is downright idiotic in so many ways, really why do they care so much that Shows a image of their prophet, yeah I know he's a important image in the Muslim faith, but dose that make him un spoofable? No is dose not, and these are unknowingly/knowingly making thier own religion's image look worse in the public eye.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gf5Ct6guVEA( more on the subject)

Contains Naughty language.:p
 
Yes but again, whose to say that if Comedy Central didn't censor anything things would be any better? Who knows. It's a weird situation and both options aren't exactly favorable. As far as I'm concerned Comedy Central's actions (which I'll concede sucks if your a fan of the show) were probably the safest thing they felt they should do.
 
True. But all that I'm saying is that people seem to be abusing that right waaaaay too much nowadays. To the point where Comedy Central even censored Muhammad's name nonetheless because these extremists are threatening them and say they can get away with it because of freedom of speech. I don't think that's what our founding fathers had in mind when they demanded that right.
 
Have you ever heard of the Espionage and Sedition Acts?? During WWI, America passed tow acts that limited free speech, mostly against the war. If you spoke against the war, you were fined. If you spoke against the selling of war bonds, you were fined.

While that is obsurd to have done today, there is base in American history that limits on free speech have been in place.
 
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