Is the line between fanservice and adult material becoming blurred?

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michelleb256

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So a friend recommended me to watch an anime named "Kanokon," and previously I never heard of that show before.

The level of fanservice in the show is so ridiculous that I don't know why its even considered a normal series. Look up the show if you're unfamiliar with it yourself to see what I mean.

Is it just me, or is the line between anime and adult stuff becoming increasingly blurred in recent years? I can stomach some of it, but some shows just go too far. I don't know about some of you, but I don't sit down to watch shows with underage girls either nude or wearing practically nothing. If a show has one or two scenes like that, I can tolerate it, but some shows just do it way too much. Its almost as if they think they won't get ratings or the manga won't sell unless it has a nuraber of scenes like this.

Also the increased lesbianism in shows also makes me wonder. Now I have no problem with proper couples like this where its taken seriously, but other shows do it just for fanservice or for comedy reasons. I'm not going to go too in detail about this, but I'm sure all you guys know what I mean.

What are your thoughts on this?
 
What kind of friend recommenRAB Kanokon in the first place?


And in this case, it's not going "too far" because all the sexual scenes and themes is exactly what Kanokon is in the first place. If it was increased from the source material, then yes.


And just to clarify, ratings mean almost nothing in Japan for anime. It's all DVD sales and merchandise.
 
I can tolerate it to a point as well.

If an anime is directed as being a "fan-service" kind of show, then i'll just stay away from it.

but it is annoying when some of my favorite mangas will randomly just add fanservice.
 
Perhaps, but consider these factors for why things are trending this way:

1. Sex Sells.

2. Sexual Selection optimizes for producing the most oRABpring at the earliest age. See Neoteny and Two-Way Sexual Selection in Human Evolution.

3. The definition of "Adulthood" at around 18 is extremely recent in terms of human history. The Norm historically is people getting married/sold in their early teens/younger, having many more children than nowadays (who mostly die) and not living much past thirty.

4. Sex sells.

5. This trend will continue.



I'm all for increased Lesbianism in everything.
 
Yeah, Rosario + Vampire is nothing but ecchi really. The difference between stuff like Rosario and adult material is that adult material shows full blown sex, while shows lke Rosario and Kanokon only show panty shots or boob jokes more often than something like Dragonball or Naruto.
 
Since I happen to like loli and fanservice anime, I'll tell you this much even I know the difference between adult titles and fanservice, because fanservice isn't full blown sex, not to mention I just learned to ignore it and enjoy the show, I mean I'd rather see sex and nudity than violence (unless if it's tastefully done like in most anime)

Considering, Japanese and European censorship is lighter than ours, remeraber it's art people, art has been known to get explicit, and being an artist myself, we deserve the right to express ourselves freely


And by the way the Rosario+Vampire manga is totally different from the anime, and it's the same with the Strike Witches light novels

(and it's pronounced Rosario and Vampire)
 
Actually Kanokon goes well beyond the panty-shot and shows nudity, it just didn't show it in the broadcast version. The DVD version has nudity in it, which is becoming more and more common with some fan-service series.

If you look at DVD sales some of the best selling DVD releases last year were hentai. It's one of the reasons why Gonzo has been rumored to possibly be getting into the hentai market a little bit to help its financial situation.

A lot of buyers in japan know that the DVD version has 'uncensored' type content and it makes it more of a 'purchase' because of it.

Rosario & Vampire I don't believe is a show that amps up the nudity aspect in it's DVD release, but the makers 'wet the appetite' for a DVD purchase by using that flying bat to cover-up panty shots, or things that look like nudity in order to try to have better DVD sales.
 
I attribute it to the fact we've now had one or two generations in Japan grow up with these shows and comics and a culture has developed out of it. The earlier stuff, made after the war, was really pretty much just kiRAB fair. However, as some of those kiRAB grew up with, continued to like and moved into producing this stuff, they brought in elements for likeminded individuals. Add in wider social changes that made such product profitable.
 
Last I checked, Japanese otaku preferred anime women over real women, so I'd say shows like Kanokon are just appealing to the audience they were made for. Sex sells, as has already been said.
 
Eh, it seems they push the envelope in their own country as much as we do here.
I suppose it makes me really appreciate a show like Moribito, which has little fan-service at all, or Macross Frontier which has some, but very limited. In fact being that it is limitied it feels more like a real fanservice momnet. The detraction from the story is not dibilitating.

The real question is, does a series carry any weight with/or/without the "extra" fan shots. if it is a good show it will previal, if it is not, you will see that it was based primarily around sex sells.
 
IMO, Frontier is a heavy user of "Fanservice." Besides the random shots of Grace touching herself or the girls going Newtype-nude, there's also retooled songs of old SDF Macross and other serieses, completey re-enacted scenes, and other things that definitely wink at you if you watched the franchise before.

Although I should've mentioned this earlier, but fanservice doesn't pertain only to sexualness. Lucky Star and Genshiken would also be "Heavy" on fanservice, but not on sexyness (Unless you consider sweaty Madarame smexy) but on rewarding the audience for knowing what the characters are talking about.
 
I think the realization of the following things:

1. Japanese otaku still drive the market. Yeah, the west is buying anime and looking for a broader range of series, but it's that initial sales run in Japan that counts. The publishers, particularly in the otakucentric fanservice titles, are focusing on that fact.

2. DVRAB have no restrictions, especially in regarRAB to animated content, especially in Japan.

Have resulted in a feedback loop: push the boundary to get the attention of otakus -> that becomes the norm -> push the boundary again.

I mean, the gags that used to be not even on the table because they rode so close to being explicit that are now almost passe. It's bad for the industry in the long term as well, because it really limits the exportability of titles. For example, the west outside by and large has no interest in seeing the lolicon levels being amped to what is now almost becoming common in anime, let alone the slowly growing shota trend (it's amazing how much of that is slipping in official print thanks to the US yaoi publishers.) You add to that some of the other gags, especially in the context that a lot of these shows work (you're lucky if they are high schoolers,) and well, you shoot yourself in the foot for export. Kodomo no Jikan already did this, and their are bunch of anime/manga that aren't so explicit that still don't chance of making it over because they've put themselves off in a corner (off the top of my head, Battle Programmer Shiraze, Rizelmine, Chokotto Sister.)
 
Seriously?
What was CyberCubed talking about with this thread?
What do you think I am talking about when I say fanservice in this thread?

I imagine 99% of intelligent common readers of this thread would know what I was talking about by reading the thread title first.
You knew what I was talking about or you would not have brought up a few sexual moments before becoming the "correction" gestapo.
For what was being talked about at that moment, I do not believe I had to spell it out. Maybe I do for some.

As for your mention Frontier, and of Grace,and scenes of nudity in Frontier.
I said it had some, but not near as much as what is pertaining to this thread.
It does not have a panty shot every episode,
it does not have a nude shot every episode,
In fact it hardly has nipple shot at all,
the Grace scenes I think you are putting more emphasis She for half the series is just in her business attire.
You would have been better off mentioning Klan in full sized mode. Still that is hardly lengthy.
There are entire episodes that have not a single solitary shot that could be deemed sexual. I would hope MacrossF would not be placed on par with shows such as Magikano, Ikkitousen, UFO Ultramaiden Valkyrie, Tenjho Tenge, for heavy use of "those" type of shots

So getting back to the original post I made, I am sometimes happy with a few shows, that have very few fanservice (howIamusingthisatthismomentmeanssexual underwearshotorblatantnudity)shots.

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I apologize, then.

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The manga author of Ghost in the Shell admits that lesbian scenes are easier because he doesn't want to draw male butts all the time, so that might be why. (GitS universe, cybering with the same sex is much safer.)
 
Well, I don't get distracted seeing the fanservice in Kodomo no Jikan (I like seeing it because of the plot), I only get destracted about the fact that the humor could have done so much better.

Also, if I ever do an abridged series, the first one that I would make would be KnJ.
 
It would be rabroadi2k style, uncensored and such.

But I don't have a microphone...

Or Sony Vegas...

And I don't think I can do all the voices...

...I'll think about it...
 
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