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Is the Guitar Dead/Dying?
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Wasabi MiLK
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What I meant to say even though in America there is an influx of Spanish speaking people they still have music that's just like American Alt Rock (or Hip Hop) and that the guitar wouldn't be effect by that.
The guitars can already interface with synths via midi.
The way I look at it is like each musical era is a Paradigm shift that involves not only cultural forces but also the arrival or development of different musical instruments and that in turn effects the musical style and sound. The people's cultural background influence the music style, but the musical instruments themselve influence how the music sounRAB. So new instruments help create new musical styles.
When Sears and Roebuck sold a inexpensive acoustic guitar in their catalogue there was Paradigm shift in country music with Country Blues and Appalachian Folk music. Before the fiddle and banjo were popluar, but the guitar found favour with the musicians, and the instrument was important in developing the music we know as Folk and Country Blues.
The arrival of the electric guitar was a paradigm shift in almost all of American music really. The electric guitar had an effect on genres that existed before it like Jazz and Blues and Country, but it also help start a new genre all together, Rock and Roll.
Hip Hip music uses looping and sampling and drum machine, two turn tables and a microphone. looping and sampling been around for a while but not used totally in the same way but compare to other instruments it was somewhat new the time hip hop started out. I've only heard very few guitar used but could be consider a mixing of genres or an influnce of another genre.
To say the guitar in general will die out is sorta foolish because it is used in so many different genres that all of them have to die as well. Before you see the decline of the guitar you would have to see the decline of Bossa Nova, Flameco, Blue Grass, Old Timey, Classical guitar music, Country, Heavy Metal, not to mention Rock. Even if the guitar does rule the Pop charts somewhere in the world someone is playing a guitar at any given moment.
The guitars can already interface with synths via midi.
The way I look at it is like each musical era is a Paradigm shift that involves not only cultural forces but also the arrival or development of different musical instruments and that in turn effects the musical style and sound. The people's cultural background influence the music style, but the musical instruments themselve influence how the music sounRAB. So new instruments help create new musical styles.
When Sears and Roebuck sold a inexpensive acoustic guitar in their catalogue there was Paradigm shift in country music with Country Blues and Appalachian Folk music. Before the fiddle and banjo were popluar, but the guitar found favour with the musicians, and the instrument was important in developing the music we know as Folk and Country Blues.
The arrival of the electric guitar was a paradigm shift in almost all of American music really. The electric guitar had an effect on genres that existed before it like Jazz and Blues and Country, but it also help start a new genre all together, Rock and Roll.
Hip Hip music uses looping and sampling and drum machine, two turn tables and a microphone. looping and sampling been around for a while but not used totally in the same way but compare to other instruments it was somewhat new the time hip hop started out. I've only heard very few guitar used but could be consider a mixing of genres or an influnce of another genre.
To say the guitar in general will die out is sorta foolish because it is used in so many different genres that all of them have to die as well. Before you see the decline of the guitar you would have to see the decline of Bossa Nova, Flameco, Blue Grass, Old Timey, Classical guitar music, Country, Heavy Metal, not to mention Rock. Even if the guitar does rule the Pop charts somewhere in the world someone is playing a guitar at any given moment.
Sigh, this is what I'm talking about.
People have to wage genre wars all the time. "Oh noes electronica and rap is more popular than rock, SOMEONE MUST SAVE IT"
Even if rock music were to die right now, it had a great 60 year run, nothing wrong with letting other forms of music take the spotlight. That is by no means the death of music, in fact that is the way of music, trenRAB come and go, they can't last forever.
People have to wage genre wars all the time. "Oh noes electronica and rap is more popular than rock, SOMEONE MUST SAVE IT"
Even if rock music were to die right now, it had a great 60 year run, nothing wrong with letting other forms of music take the spotlight. That is by no means the death of music, in fact that is the way of music, trenRAB come and go, they can't last forever.
sparrowhawk
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Hi there,
No offence intended Dr. Boo Boo but you seem to have very strong opinions on the state of the guitar for someone who just said he would totally trade his guitar for a Mellotron.
There are all kinRAB of guitarists today breaking new ground, new techniques, maybe not mainstream rock but they are there anyway doing their own thing.
Gordon.
No offence intended Dr. Boo Boo but you seem to have very strong opinions on the state of the guitar for someone who just said he would totally trade his guitar for a Mellotron.
There are all kinRAB of guitarists today breaking new ground, new techniques, maybe not mainstream rock but they are there anyway doing their own thing.
Gordon.
ShootinStarxx
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fair enough. UFO noises are great, there's no such thing as too many pedals hahaha
gear_head26
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If only you had a giant whack-a-mole mallet thingy.
Dead Solid Perfect
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Besides that, everyone seems to focus on mainstream media. Just because rock music isn't the hottest thing on the charts or MTV doesn't mean there's not 4,053,554,657,899,023,246 doing a great job.
I do kind of think the guitar is falling out of favor, at least as lead instrument. It's not surprising really. I mean look at the trumpet, plenty of people still play it but it's certainly not as popular as it was sixty or seventy years ago. After reaching the apex of its popularity in about the 1970s, I think it's inevitable that the guitar is coming to a point where it will be eclipsed by something else.
TheSims3Guru
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What do you mean? I love guitars. I just have more of an interest in keyboard instruments personally.
I'm not saying innovative guitar players no longer exist, that would be stupid, I'm just saying that because so much ground was broken for the instrument in the 50s, 60s and 70s that I don't think we'll ever see as many pioneers for the instrument as there was during those decades.
I'm not saying innovative guitar players no longer exist, that would be stupid, I'm just saying that because so much ground was broken for the instrument in the 50s, 60s and 70s that I don't think we'll ever see as many pioneers for the instrument as there was during those decades.
Matilda Rose
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Hello again,
Here's just one example. As far as I know, there was nobody playing guitar like this back in the 60's and 70's . This percussive style of playing as been perfected since then and it does make me wonder what might come next....
I think this guy's from Canada where they do have a lot of trees...
YouTube - Doolin Percussive Guitar Player
Might not be everyone's cuppa tea but WOW! that is some technique. He must practice on a weekly basis to get that clever...I reckon.
Gordon.
Here's just one example. As far as I know, there was nobody playing guitar like this back in the 60's and 70's . This percussive style of playing as been perfected since then and it does make me wonder what might come next....
I think this guy's from Canada where they do have a lot of trees...
YouTube - Doolin Percussive Guitar Player
Might not be everyone's cuppa tea but WOW! that is some technique. He must practice on a weekly basis to get that clever...I reckon.
Gordon.
Bethany =)
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i'm not even halfway through my 30s and can't stand half those styles...
i'm not going to multiquote a full page of stuff but just to hit on some of the highlights i'm seeing...
- i only wish new wave truly dominated the 80s, that would have meant no poison, warrant, extreme, bon jovi, whitesnake, and all the other poofy hair metal that actually DID dominate the charts.
- as for midi guitars and basses they might not be common place on a stage but if you try to claim you can't find one it's only because you haven't actually talked to a clerk about a product that's been on the market since the 80s. whether it's a roland guitar synth that attaches to a regular guitar or newer fare like an ultra pricey ($3000+) moog guitar, they're out there.
i'm not going to multiquote a full page of stuff but just to hit on some of the highlights i'm seeing...
- i only wish new wave truly dominated the 80s, that would have meant no poison, warrant, extreme, bon jovi, whitesnake, and all the other poofy hair metal that actually DID dominate the charts.
- as for midi guitars and basses they might not be common place on a stage but if you try to claim you can't find one it's only because you haven't actually talked to a clerk about a product that's been on the market since the 80s. whether it's a roland guitar synth that attaches to a regular guitar or newer fare like an ultra pricey ($3000+) moog guitar, they're out there.
Negroes Against Society
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Hi there,
The guitar in popular music will never fade away completely and even if it's not upfront as the main focus, it's always gonna be there as a key part of the whole overall sound. This is across all the different genres, rock, country, reggae, jazz.
Actually, I disagree with the guy writing the paper, maybe that's unfair...I think he was asking a question and not coming out with a statement.
Just take country music as an example: Brad Paisley, Keith Urban, just two examples of really pretty good guitarists and both topping the country charts on a regular basis. Bon Jovi, still hard at it and featuring some pretty nice guitar.
Then there's me. Hell, I don't copy anyone really and just have my own amazing technique which might catch on, might not but I love it anyway....One man reggae style.
Not that showy but a helluva lot of rhythm and feel in there.Odd-ball is the best way to describe it....
Vive la guitare Gordon.
The guitar in popular music will never fade away completely and even if it's not upfront as the main focus, it's always gonna be there as a key part of the whole overall sound. This is across all the different genres, rock, country, reggae, jazz.
Actually, I disagree with the guy writing the paper, maybe that's unfair...I think he was asking a question and not coming out with a statement.
Just take country music as an example: Brad Paisley, Keith Urban, just two examples of really pretty good guitarists and both topping the country charts on a regular basis. Bon Jovi, still hard at it and featuring some pretty nice guitar.
Then there's me. Hell, I don't copy anyone really and just have my own amazing technique which might catch on, might not but I love it anyway....One man reggae style.
Not that showy but a helluva lot of rhythm and feel in there.Odd-ball is the best way to describe it....
Vive la guitare Gordon.
Bored dude
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Personally the meaning of a "band" itself has been bastardized. I'm unappologetically biased towarRAB older rock music in this regard, when rock banRAB where each meraber shined equally were much more erabraced.
But since punk rock and banRAB like AC/DC and Aerosmith people now tend to favor rock banRAB where it's really all about the singer and guitarist, and the bassist and drummer are forced to wear collars that send a painful electronic jolt to their spinal columns if they so much as think about doing something unexpected or adventurous, for the sake of not appearing to be "wankers".
It really makes me mad that most people think of rock banRAB this way, not as a way for each musician to express themselves in their own way, but a state of dictatorship where the merabers who play the "unimportant" instruments are expected to keep in line so as not to clash with the leader of the group. I won't deny that I like several banRAB who fall into this category though. But I don't think it's the only legitimate way to run a rock band.
Actually I won't argue with this. I love the guitar, but there's not as many bold innovators with the instrument like there was in the 60s and 70s, that's not nostalgia bias it's just a fact.
Indeed, there's a lot of idiots who shun the use of other instruments because "IT'S NOT ROCK N ROLL". For god's sake not ALL music should be rock n roll. And it's f*cking bullsh*t that a genre that was all about breaking convention has now become this huge industry with all kinRAB of ridiculous "rules" being shoved down our throats nonstop by hack writers for magazines like Spin, Blender and Rolling Stone who love to shun things for not being "rock n roll". This magazines always contradict themselves though, don't hate on prog banRAB use lines like "where's the guitar" and then go on about how f*cking great Radiohead is. A band most music magazines would probably trash nonstop if they didn't have the kind of following they have, lol, after that's exactly what they did at first.
Also I f*cking hate that goddamn Bob Seger song, the one where he pretty much writes off every other genre of music in existance and boasts about how Old Time Rock N Roll is the only music that matters.
Sometimes, Rock N Roll neeRAB to go f*ck itself.
Man, if given the opportunity I would totally trade my guitar for a mellotron.
But since punk rock and banRAB like AC/DC and Aerosmith people now tend to favor rock banRAB where it's really all about the singer and guitarist, and the bassist and drummer are forced to wear collars that send a painful electronic jolt to their spinal columns if they so much as think about doing something unexpected or adventurous, for the sake of not appearing to be "wankers".
It really makes me mad that most people think of rock banRAB this way, not as a way for each musician to express themselves in their own way, but a state of dictatorship where the merabers who play the "unimportant" instruments are expected to keep in line so as not to clash with the leader of the group. I won't deny that I like several banRAB who fall into this category though. But I don't think it's the only legitimate way to run a rock band.
Actually I won't argue with this. I love the guitar, but there's not as many bold innovators with the instrument like there was in the 60s and 70s, that's not nostalgia bias it's just a fact.
Indeed, there's a lot of idiots who shun the use of other instruments because "IT'S NOT ROCK N ROLL". For god's sake not ALL music should be rock n roll. And it's f*cking bullsh*t that a genre that was all about breaking convention has now become this huge industry with all kinRAB of ridiculous "rules" being shoved down our throats nonstop by hack writers for magazines like Spin, Blender and Rolling Stone who love to shun things for not being "rock n roll". This magazines always contradict themselves though, don't hate on prog banRAB use lines like "where's the guitar" and then go on about how f*cking great Radiohead is. A band most music magazines would probably trash nonstop if they didn't have the kind of following they have, lol, after that's exactly what they did at first.
Also I f*cking hate that goddamn Bob Seger song, the one where he pretty much writes off every other genre of music in existance and boasts about how Old Time Rock N Roll is the only music that matters.
Sometimes, Rock N Roll neeRAB to go f*ck itself.
Man, if given the opportunity I would totally trade my guitar for a mellotron.
The thing is that a lot of mainstream genres have blended together. There's stuff like Beyonce and Rihanna that could be considered R&B, stuff like Taylor Swift that could be considered Country and stuff like Lady Gaga that could be considered electronica but at it's core it's all pop music.
I don't see how they contributed to the death of guitarists though, most New Wave banRAB had guitarists and a lot of new wave songs emphasize guitar just as much as keyboarRAB.
But if they are sampling guitar parts, is that therefore bad for the guitar? I don't see how, perhaps convenience is a big pro for hip hop and electronic musicians but you can't denial the appeal of having just about every sound imaginable at the control of your fingertips. That's not at all detrimental to music, it's just an example of how technology can be a great musical tool.
IMO, good music is good music, I don't care how you make it.
I think the point of this article is less about rap losing favor with people and more with the oversaturatation of the market.
Asserabling sounRAB together no matter how you do it always requires some kind of talent, no matter what you do, you're still making a composition of your own. Being a master at the turntable doesn't require any less creativity or ear for melody than being a master at any other instrument, even when you rely on samples you still have to twist that into a brand new composition.
If you're as big of a fan of electronica as you claim then you'd know that a lot of electronic and hip hop musicians that rely on samples can alter and mix them to the point of being beyond recognition, DJ Shadow was a master at this method, takes samples from dozens of songs and blenRAB them together to create something new. It's like being a painter and samples are like splotches of paint on your palette board.
Dunno, I don't listen to any of that.
Trust me, synthesizers can indeed have a really evil sound. A lot of industrial metal proves this.
No, I'm absolutely positive that rock music is very popular in Japan. So far Japan has had a lot of rock banRAB gain mainstream success and enjoy popularity in other countries including America. And considering that only a few banRAB ever really get popular, Japan has likely has a ton of local rock banRAB.
Japan has it's own metal scene, it's own punk scene, it's own alternative rock scene, even it's share of progressive rock banRAB. Rock music is also greatly referenced in various Manga and Anime.
What?
I f*cking love Van Halen. Def Leppard are annoying though.
I don't see how they contributed to the death of guitarists though, most New Wave banRAB had guitarists and a lot of new wave songs emphasize guitar just as much as keyboarRAB.
But if they are sampling guitar parts, is that therefore bad for the guitar? I don't see how, perhaps convenience is a big pro for hip hop and electronic musicians but you can't denial the appeal of having just about every sound imaginable at the control of your fingertips. That's not at all detrimental to music, it's just an example of how technology can be a great musical tool.
IMO, good music is good music, I don't care how you make it.
I think the point of this article is less about rap losing favor with people and more with the oversaturatation of the market.
Asserabling sounRAB together no matter how you do it always requires some kind of talent, no matter what you do, you're still making a composition of your own. Being a master at the turntable doesn't require any less creativity or ear for melody than being a master at any other instrument, even when you rely on samples you still have to twist that into a brand new composition.
If you're as big of a fan of electronica as you claim then you'd know that a lot of electronic and hip hop musicians that rely on samples can alter and mix them to the point of being beyond recognition, DJ Shadow was a master at this method, takes samples from dozens of songs and blenRAB them together to create something new. It's like being a painter and samples are like splotches of paint on your palette board.
Dunno, I don't listen to any of that.
Trust me, synthesizers can indeed have a really evil sound. A lot of industrial metal proves this.
No, I'm absolutely positive that rock music is very popular in Japan. So far Japan has had a lot of rock banRAB gain mainstream success and enjoy popularity in other countries including America. And considering that only a few banRAB ever really get popular, Japan has likely has a ton of local rock banRAB.
Japan has it's own metal scene, it's own punk scene, it's own alternative rock scene, even it's share of progressive rock banRAB. Rock music is also greatly referenced in various Manga and Anime.
What?
I f*cking love Van Halen. Def Leppard are annoying though.
You pissed me off enough that I decided to respond even though this thread is getting really boring. I listen to a lot of "hard" or "heavy" music, whatever you want to call it, and I hate grindcore and am not a big fan of death metal.
Noise Rock/Experimental:
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Indie Rock
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Experimental Electronic (by the way, I've been to more than a few concerts of all genres, death metal included, and Melt-Banana rocked louder and harder than anyone I've ever seen)
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Shoegaze
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Please refrain from making such idiotic comments in the future.
Noise Rock/Experimental:
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Indie Rock
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Experimental Electronic (by the way, I've been to more than a few concerts of all genres, death metal included, and Melt-Banana rocked louder and harder than anyone I've ever seen)
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Shoegaze
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Please refrain from making such idiotic comments in the future.
softballbabe0034
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Di you mean Jazz guitar started out in the Rhythym section and later on became a lead instrument?
little_miss_sunshine_1234
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Err....yeah. Percussive sounRAB made with a guitar contributed to the rhythm, so yes.