Is it true that the debate is not about climate change, but whether humans are...

james e

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This is true and what we skeptics see is that the evidence the warmers present was illustrated to be incorrect because the co2 gas sample was contaminated with water vapor giving a reading for water vapor instead of co2. The corrupt peer review system has perpetuated this scientific error for more than 100 years despite the fact that several scientists documented experiments that showed how the mistakes were made.

Maybe the core of the determination is because there are two clear and concise statements on whether co2 can truthfully be called a greenhouse gas. One by the followers of Svante Arrhenius who derived their co2 sample using water and acid from limestone and then used water to test for the presence of co2 say yes. Those who follow Knut Angstrom that used dehumidified co2 for his experiments say co2 is such a minor green house gas that it should not be considered to have an atmospheric warming effect. So Arrhenius says co2 is the major driving force and his followers believe this. Angstrom documented that water vapor is 99.99% of the green house effect and his work verified through the scientific method for 100 years is why most skeptics take the stand that the minor warming we have had over the last 150 years is natural with minimal contribution from industry if any.

So either you believe the peer reviewed opinion of Arrhenius that says humans did it or you have seen the experiments validating the laboratory work of Angstrom and realize co2 does not have the capability of contributing to warming unless local humidity is abnormally high.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svante_Arrhenius
http://members.casema.nl/errenwijlens/co2/arrhenius.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%85ngstr%C3%B6m
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knut_%C3%85ngstr%C3%B6m
Monthly weather review June 1901
http://docs.lib.noaa.gov/rescue/mwr/029/mwr-029-06-0268a.pdf
http://reasonmclucus.tripod.com/CO2myth.html
http://uddebatt.wordpress.com/2009/08/27/anthropogenic-global-cooling-this-increase-in-co2-emissions-over-the-past-63-years-has-resulted-in-over-40-years-of-global-cooling/
http://www.ucar.edu/news/releases/2006/sunspot.shtml
 
Nope. There is no debate about whether humans are causing it anymore. The only debate is how best to implement a solution.

The debate is happening right now at the U.N. climate talks in Bangkok. The world is working on a worldwide treaty, hopefully agreed to in December in Copenhagen.

The debate over fair solutions is hot and real. Nobody important is debating whether mankind is causing warming.
 
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