Is it possible to objectively judge music?

you wreak of deconstructionism.

All you would need to do is set up criteria first one what would be up for judgment and how those scales would look. Its why academic papers generally start off with definitions of things, so as to allow the reader to know what your basing judgments on. So long as the criteria that serves as the basis for the judgment is standardized, there ought to be no problem with being able to judge things objectively.
 
boring and hard since it doesnt seem possible

i could never do it

i dont listen to music i dont like
theres 2 much other music i DO like out there
 
Your open listening style grants you an informed opinion, but it is still opinion.

Because once you judge something objectively there isn't room for conflicting viewpoints. Essentially, you're saying that anyone who disagrees with you must be wrong.
 
ive wondered about this 2

i generally turn on the 'now playing' option on windows media player and i have the 'music colors' -- 'colors in motion' visualization selected

ive wondered if i could tell if i would like a song just by the way the patterns of that visualization flowed

i was admittedly high at the time

i agree with Blackbird -- i cant do screammo or noise so my judgement of that type of music would be quite shallow as its damn near impossible to listen to something while trying not to hear any of it

and anticipation -- not because im into deconstructionism but because its awful hard to get everyone on the same page even as far as what the basic definitions are since everything is up for interpretation

the short answer = Nah
 
yeah when you think about being objective in its purest form, it is a bit of an oxymoron.

But in terms of things being relative and the stripping away of biases, then the least restrictive outlook is the new definition of objective.

I'm just saying if you can go from listening to Underoath to Otis Redding, and everything inbetween then I trust your ear. I trust it because it can pick up on what each genre's stong and weak points are.

For example I cannot espouse the virtues of hockey, soccer, or baseball. Because I dont expose myself to their world to be able to critique it on anything more than the most basic attributes. Football, Basketball, and Martial arts are a completely diff story though :)

And yes this is all just a debate. I thought that was the point of the thread. I mean I said in 'my opinion' and 'by my preference' several times. Hell me and my best friend cant agree on stuff when it comes to music (as my pallet is much more diverse than his, but he isnt really a music lover anyway)
 
The definitions can be subjective. By putting them forward you can objectivly judge the music based on criteria.

This is like the whole vetting the vetters thing. If you agree that item X will be considered valued and then define how the rankings will go, you can do it. Its more about making it known how results were achieved and not declaring things to be the best song ever by secret workings behind the scenes.
 
i'm going to have to agree with you zaraki

even here in these forums
i know that i'm more likely to listen to a list of music posted by one meraber over another simply because my tastes coincide with the one
and i think of the lists as reviews of a sort

i think all of us do that

really
ask yourself
do you have the time to sit and listen to every new band/album/song?

most of us don't and we rely on networks of like-minded -- well -- critics, like our frienRAB and acquaintances and internet buRAB

and for my part
i would rather read what zaraki has to say about an album
than what i might have to say about it

:rofl:




it seems to me that what he'd be doing is stating his informed observations and that wouldn't necessarily rule out debate/discussion

and when it comes to which opinion you trust more
it would be unwise not to opt for experience and diversity of taste

imho
 
Actually I think it is very possible. The factor that plays into this the most, in my opinion of course, is whether you actually like multiple genres of music. If you do that means your pallet is more mature, IMO, and you can find the good/bad in many more diff types of music.

Like I myself listen to everything from Johnny Cash to DMX, and everything inbetween. I'd say I can gauge the rock, country, rap, and r&b from my era very well.

From my short time on this board it seems that people dont branch out too much and judge music that they havent even heard. Which is just ignorant, but hey if it makes you feel bigger than you are go for it. Meanwhile I'm rocking out to everything under the sun.
 
I don't buy this Objective stuff at least when it comes to music anyway.

It's all personal opinion however you dress it up. It's just that some peoples personal opinion has more influence than others. I don't pretend to speak for anybody else when I forward an opinion and to do anything else but that to me smacks of arrogance & egotism.

I mean what is Objectively anyway?

I don't think anyone has ever looked at an album like Blonde on Blonde or Revolver or Pet SounRAB in an objective way.

They're albums that struck a chord with people at the right time in the right place both musically & socially ,and are fondly remerabered for doing so , that's why they are regarded so highly. They're not regarded highly because someone looked at them and decided they were the finest example of music ever made and then decreeing it to everybody.
 
His observation may be highly informed, but that hardly makes it any more objective, which is what I'm arguing.

And yeah, I'm more likely to listen to someone who is open minded in his approach to music, but only because that mirrors my approach. Obviously you tend to give most credence to opinions from people who have similar tastes.
 
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