Is it me, or has Lisa become an unlikable character as of later seasons?

QFT. I was going to say that before but realized i would get a bad backlash because the name of it. But The only difference between this one and the old one is Draken said this season and it wasn't riddled with Kill Simpsons Now fans.
 
I wouldn't have minded so much if Homer stayed at the preScully levels, but Scully even made Homer even dumber and made him a jackass on top of being incredibly dumb.



IMO, Marge doesn't nag ENOUGH and her character in these past few years has become stupider in order to make her relationship with Homer seem even slightly plausible.



NEWSFLASH: Kids always have and always will talk back to parents and Bart was doing even worse things in the 90's (like having a fake licence and cohersing Martin to rent a car). Yeah, it wasn't realistic, but it passed off as being entertaining, unlike the modern Simpsons which is always unrealistic, but hardly as entertaining as the stuff from the 90's.



Exactly, and that's why everyone's favorite moments were from the first 10 seasons! As you like to say: ZOMG!
 
You have to remember there are people here who watched the show and objectively remember a time when there wasn't any "past versions" of the characters to be "nostaligic over." Characters were presented well and that's why the show became popular, unlike nowadays where the characters (and show) have been around such an ungodly amount of time, people have become inert--and dependent--on the characters having to exist, they'll defend the show to the end.

This is why whenever I read "it's evolution!" or "it must be nostalgia" for the defense certain folks love throwing around, I just roll my eyes. It's not like the Simpsons's past is some unreachable, non-accessable entity--everyday it's on in reruns and there's the DVD sets available and not to mention there are a lot of fans who say the early years were better and they either watched them recently, or started watching the current show and then watched the older episodes. Hollowed sentiment, and imagined nostalgia have nothing to do with why the first 8 or 9 seasons have been nearly universally accepted as the high point of the show.
 
Nostalgic fans,they just hate anything new.Thankfully the characters are not stuck in the 90s .I love the characters even more at the moment.
 
Like others have said, I hate this reasoning. Hate it, hate it, hate it. Because it impies that anyone with a negative opinion of the current Simpsons is just talking out of their rear ends and are blinded by nostalgia. All I know is that the majority of the people I've talked to about this show in recent years - both online and in real life, both casual and hardcore fans - do not think it's nearly as good as it used to be. It's clearly not even close to being the same show.

In fact, I'd construe a statement like, "Nostalgic fans,they just hate anything new." as flamebait. But that's just me.
 
Lisa's always been like that. Trying to force her morals onto other people and them getting annoyed. Look at the ep when Homer was stealing cable. So what if he's going to hell, we all are anyway. She made him and Bart miss a good fight.
 
The thing with that episode is that the church put the fear of God and eternal damnation into Lisa, which I think is a strong enough motivation for an eight year old girl to want to oppose something.
 
I guess I'm the only one who really enjoys lame Simpsons. Not saying I love every joke and gag but I have quite an affinity for bad jokes and puns, intentional or unintentional. It's true that the show is way past its prime but it can still get quite a few laughs out of me and I find even the worst written eps to be moderately compelling. I find it to be about on par with the rest of the current Animation Domination shows. I don't really feel the need to take it to task for not being as good as it was in the 90s like most people seem to.
 
If someone's going to be that closed minded, one can say that anyone who loves anything the Simpsons does today is a mindless sheep and/or an overly defensive fanboy with horrible taste.



The irony is the current show has just the opposite following online compared to the late 90's: Far more people like the show online than people I meet on a daily basis.
 
I think a big problem is that the characters haven't been allowed to age. Alot of the earlier plots not only worked because of snappier writing but also due to the 'true to life' nature. An episode where Bart has his first crush or Lisa learns you sadly can't trust everybody works because as kids we all had those experiences in some way and it's part of life. The problem is, you're also growing older and maturing with these experiences. That's something that quite clearly the Simpson cast don't do. Bart, Lisa and Maggie are all still kids yet the writers have to some degree tried to tackle them as having had double the life experience and maturity anyone their age has.
To my mind, it's part of the wider argument that the show should have bowed out on a high note.
 
I agree with everything you said. I have enjoyed every Simpsons episode this season, and I recently watched a season 12 or 13 episode and found it just as funny as an episode in season 6. I don't think that just because it's new it is automatically bad, but still I do agree the show is not as consistantly funny as it once was.

I do feel Lisa has become kinda stale. She's never been particularily funny, but episodes that focused on her used to be at least a little touching. Now they are rather boring unless somehow Homer or Bart does somthing really extrodinary to help the plot. Lisa's characther is just to tired for it to be effective anymore. At least that is what I think.
 
They started writing Lisa with an axe to grind, and I find it hard to like any character that tries to be "thought-provoking" with one-sided I'm-Always-Right statements. Except, for some reason, Stan and/or Kyle Marsh.

I've softened on her, though. I once thought Lisa was bad. Then I got to know Brian Griffin. YIKES!
 
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