Interesting thought about a murder story in the news, mother/baby?

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Daniel's Mommy *TTC #2*

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last night I watched a story on the American news(I'm in Canada) about a man who killed a pregnant woman. The fetus/baby died as well due to lack of oxygen, the woman was strangled I believe. The man has been charged with 2 counts of first degree murder. I totally agree with how he was charged.
So it got me thinking, why there are doctors who are not charged with murder when they preform abortions. Is it just because they have the woman's consent? It doesn't make any sense to me at all. I am not a person who normally gets upset over things that are out of my control, but this struck a nerve with me for some reason and wanted to ask what your opinions are about it.
I didn't know where else to post this...and this is where I am comfortable, in case anyone is wondering.
Ok I see your points...it makes sense, but I don't think I'll ever agree ...
 
Yes, I totally agree! i was actually just thinking about that. It should be murder, if they can charge him with it they can charge "doctors" with it. I don't count them doctors though...doctor's save lives, not end them. Anyways, hopefully somebody with some sort of legal power will realize this and put an end to it.
 
That is an inconsistency in the law, isn't it!!!

That's why the extreme leftists fought so hard to prevent the laws which charge a person who kills a pregnant woman with double homicide. They were terrified that it would get in the way of Rowe v. Wade and set up some legal precedent which grants an unborn baby with "personhood".
 
I think the doctor has a 'license to kill' so to speak. He's supposedly doing a public service to women, so therefore he would be considered a 'hero'...like a firefighter, policeman, a military person. But in the end, what he's doing is taking a life. In the end, he is a murderer. And he can rake in the dollars all he wants, but in the end, he will have to answer for all the murders he committed and the lives he took. I'm with you on this.
 
because you can only legally get an abortion up to a specific fetal age.

and in law, its only AFTER a specific fetal age that the murderer can be charged with 2 counts. I think after 30 weeks or a little later.
 
They should be charged with murder but somehow they get away with legalized murder thanks to a population of morons.
 
It's because they will only charge him for it because it was over 20 weeks, when abortions are no longer supposed to be performed.
 
Man that's a great point, you are so totally right. It does make so much sense, just like when they charged that doctor with murder in assisting suicides same thing applies but these poor little babies don't even have a choice.
 
I think it should depend on whether or not the woman was intending to continue the pregnancy. If they don't count it as double-murder, then husbands or boyfriends or whoever try to kill a woman to stop a child from entering would be getting off easy. If it wasn't obvious she was pregnant to the other person, I would say no.
 
I have wondered this too - because I strongly believe that abortion stops life no matter what stage it is performed at. People always use the "it's just a clump of cells" line - but cells are the smallest units of all living things and are themselves alive.

It's quite the double standard and it's really sad that the double standard exists.
 
do you know how far along she was?

I'm not sure they would charge someone with double homicide if the baby is under a certain number of weeks gestation. I'm not positive about that though. I know that with Lacey Peterson, she was 8 months pregnant or something like that and her husband Scott was charged with double homicide I believe. maybe it's the same precedent with abortions. a doctor cannot perform an abortion past 20 weeks where I live, and I live in NY, which is a pretty liberal state. again, I'm only guessing, but I don't think that aborting after that is legal anywhere. it might be 24 weeks maximum. so maybe after 24 weeks, double homicide would be applicable.

either way, even if everything I just said is wrong, it's still a sad, horrible story and I don't like thinking about those things -- murder, double homicide, or abortion (even though I am pro-choice).
 
While I understand that he was able to be charged because of the fetal age, it really is ludicrous. Apparently, the American Justice System has determined the exact day and time that every single fetus deserves human rights. You only get rights if you're over 30 weeks I guess.

You knoooow...
How do WE know that that fetus didn't have a suicide plan? Or that the fetus wasn't consenting in it's own death? That man really shouldn't have been charged because for all we know that fetus wanted to die. ...I mean, they apparently want to die at 29.5 weeks...
 
Because - you can legally get an abortion up until 24 weeks gestation in the US. Not all places will do it that far, but a lot will, and that's the latest they will *legally* do it. Abortion is legal. The mother gave consent. Murdering a mother and a fetus is totally and 100% different. She was as far as anyone knows keeping her baby and giving birth to her baby. Stop comparing apples to oranges. No matter what you or anyone else says, it is TOTALLY different.
 
Yeah I agree with how he was charged. I think doctors who perform abortions should be charged with murder and the mothers who get an abortion done should be charged too. I don't see how the doctors and mothers are able to sleep at night, it really should be illegal.
 
The difference lies in the pregnant woman.

In the case of an abortion, the mother has the option to choose to have the abortion. The doctor performing the abortion is only doing so will the mother's consent.

In the case of murder, the mother has not given the murderer permission to kill the fetus that she is pregnant with. So the murderer is killing the child (along with the mother obviously).

Abortion being legal means that the mother has the right to choose, and she did not make that choice when she is murdered.
 
That is true and a good insight. I do agree with you i think doctors should be charged but it is not illegal so that is why they are not charged. There are only special circumstances that i would ever think of that. I think the doctors who perform them should be going to hell.
 
I have always wondered this too...like that Scott Peterson guy (he was from my area, ick) got double murder punishment for the killing of his wife and their unborn son, who Laci (his wife) was 32 weeks or so pregnant with. But i guess sadly, yes when the mother says it's okay to do it, then it is, but anyone who does it it's not okay. Either way i think it's murder. But if dr's are going to be charged, then so should the women getting the abortions bc they CHOOSE to get it done, no one held a gun to their head and said "you have to abort this baby". However, the diff between a woman getting a late-term abortion and a man killing her and thus her unborn child, is that it was against the woman's will to have her baby killed along with her, not to mention the fact the woman is killed, but an abortion doesn't kill the woman, and the woman is willing to do it...if that makes any sense. But I still think it's just as sad. That being said, I AM pro-choice (within reason of course, I despise when women get abortions at 22 weeks bc suddenly decided they dint "want" the baby, and in California you can get an abortion up to 24 weeks with no medical reason needed) and I know not everything is in black and white. Who knows, some women get late-term abortions bc they were told their baby wouldn't make it past their 1st day of life outside the womb.
 
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