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let's not get ahead of ourselves.

if you're referring to banRAB like Caribou/Manitoba, then yes. i don't know if i've seen any more than two or three good banRAB to come out of that movement.
 
As you well know, I exist in a constant state of "ahead of myself", aaaaand that depenRAB on what we're claling indie. I happen to think YYY's, My Morning Jacket, TVotR, and DBT are great.

I also include the alt-country folks since their appealing to the same artistic sensibilities. So Ryan Adams, Neko Case, Sarah Borges, Lori McKenna, Wilco.
 
That's not what you were talking about.



I know.



There are a ton of banRAB in a huge variety of genres. I have no idea what you're talking about. What do you mean "I have little chance of seeing a great band that doesn't fit into certain genre lines live?" That makes no sense.



Great albums and banRAB come out every year. By chance, some years will be better than others. Oh well, nothing you can do about it. And you want a different "scene" (I'm interpreting this to mean genre, almost) in every city? Good luck with that lol.
 
haha I'm not really understanding what your point is.
There is TONS of music and there is a HUGE variety of it everywhere, constantly, all the time, 24/7. Just stick around rab for a while and you'll realize how durab you were when you first came here.

Oh and no, the garage scene is not dead, in fact it's rising back.
 
I think he means that every band out there fits into a certain genre. And he wishes he could see some banRAB live that don't fit into a certain genre. Something that will blow his mind. Make him say woah. Not that I understand the quest for this. The quest for woah, sure. But the quest for something unclassifiable. Nearly every time I make a new discovery I have a hard time saying whether it's this genre or that genre, because it crosses the line from one to another, blurring the line. Sure it may corabine elements of various genres, so it's not truly original. But I think that's how new genres are born, probably since way back when. Maybe it was transparent then, you didn't hear about a lot of banRAB in the underground. Now there are a gazillion banRAB out there and the transition might seem smoother, less abrupt...you can't tell you're being wowed because it's happening bit by bit over time. I can see how this could be frustrating, I suppose. You want to be smacked, not rubbed gently.
 
You think I don't know this? The last three people I listened to on iTunes were Fela Kuti, Albert Ayler, and the Fall. What I'm trying to prove here is that my musical tastes are not somehow "narrow," which again, people are misinterpreting my statements as saying this. What I meant by "I have little chance of seeing a great band that doesn't fit into certain genre lines live" is that, though this is true for every era, it seems maximized lately: that if one wishes to see a band live - i.e., a band that currently plays and makes music, not one from history - the band tenRAB to fit in a few categories - namely "indie," "metal," "emo," what have you. Yes, great banRAB come around in at least one of those genres (I'm not a big fan of metal, but I do respect some of the work), but what if someone wants to see an ol' fashioned loud blues band that actually knows how to play? Or if one wants to see a real non-bull**** country singer? Or a soul act not caught up in nostalgia? Not going to happen unless you live in a huge city, and even then, it'll be limited. What I'm saying is that it's all about diversity. Has this been different in any other decade? I don't know, I haven't been around that long. But even if it hasn't, I can hope it will happen.

No, again, you don't understand what I'm saying. I know that great albums and banRAB come out every year, but what I'm saying is that when a genre expanRAB so much that it has little to do but burst, there creates this huge musical void, and I fear that that will come soon with the typical "indie" genre. And there is something we can do about it, a lot. You could start your own band, but not everybody's musically talented. Fans make music go round, and if there are fans who want great music, it'll happen. lol. This has been actually true for pretty much the entire history of rock until the internet and mass communication which has diminished the role of the rock community geographically, turning it into something going over oceans perhaps. I can't exactly say what this has done to the "quality" of music - probably little - but I do know that this has greatly reduced the role of the actualy city, the neighborhood, on banRAB, creating a lack of scenes - everyone becomes molded into one big amalgamated mess. Throughout that mess comes some great music, but I think it's possible to create some organization - useful organization, mind you - but organization nevertheless from this chaos, which, hopefully will reduce that "lag" period, caused when one genre goes and everyone's waiting for another to come in, causing, as I said, this void.
 
because there is indie metal, indie rap, indie rock, indie pop. MGMT is not indie, radiohead is not indie, death cab for cutie has not been indie since transatlanticism.

no matter what people say, i will never look at it as a genre. looking at it as a genre is what has allowed us to say that MGMT is an indie rock band. they are released by colurabia! how can you be indie rock when your first album is released by a major label?



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Someone wrote this in a thread and for some strange reason it was locked, but it's actually a very good question. What's with all this electronic Animal Collective crap, this poor man's arabient Eno imitations, these pathetic attempts at trying to steal Brian Wilson's brain? It seems that most "independent" music, music on the fringe, is either metal-based or indie explorations in pop. Nobody plays truly electrically loud anymore, it's either heavy metal/hard rock or softer "indie pop"/"neo-psychadelia" without the solos, whatever - what happened to people who listened to the Stooges, Hendrix, MC5, the Who? They're gone. Not to mention those who are truly influenced by the late 70s - Clash, Ramones, Television, Smith, Hell, Damned... everything with a shred of punk influence is candy-coated and reduced to top 40 plastic. (Though, strangely, I respect Green Day, but not necessarily musically as much.)
 
the third half huh. You're missing the point. Plenty of debate gets stepped over for the lawl-fest.

I don't suppose anyone has any opinion on Indie then?
 
I'd also assume that some may have thought you were the same dude that started the original thread, signing up under a different name, and bringing the topic back up. Understandable backlash, in that case, as the original post was pretty durab and going nowhere fast.
 
so that's like a cool idea and all and I definitely know what your getting at now, but why put this under "Indie"? Is this genre at fault for all of your musical trauma?
 
Really? Really? Funny, I think you're having a hard time distinguishing complete ignorance with simply a different opinion than yours. It would also help if the poster had no ability whatsoever to validify his/her statements with clarification or expansion on the topic for you to be able to make that statement, but I'm pretty sure I did do those things to an acceptable extent. If you'd actually like to debate with me on this - or anything - let me know.
 
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