In Utero or Nevermind?

i'm going to blatantly lift another post i made on another forum about this...



crowquill - i'm not even sure what we're going on about anymore - the only point i tried to make the other night was that nirvana was a risky proposition for a major label during that time. not that they were treated like crap (as you claimed), but that they were treated as well as their probability for success in the market at that time was.

in retrospect every label on the planet 'should' have been bidding to get nirvana into their roster of artists, but we all know they weren't commercially viable until nirvana actually changed the market. not because MTV 'chose' to parade them but that smells like teen spirit captured the essence of a generation when cobain screamed 'HERE WE ARE NOW! ENTERTAIN US!'. it was the first time my generation actually had a voice that sounded like its own. there was no facade, no air of decadence, no poofy hair, no spandex, no contrived rehash of a 70s boogie rock tune with a generic party anthem chorus for our older brothers and sisters.

it was raw, it was emotional, but most of all it was ours. WE were the ones who chose to have that song played over and over again, because it was the first time most of us heard something that sounded like US in mainstream media. there's a reason most 30 somethings can tell you exactly where they were the first time they saw that pep rally turn into a riot and watched the dancing janitor.
 
no. most on my argument is based on the idea that people go into business to make money and nirvana really never looked like money until smells like teen spirit. i know they have to front like the money doesn't come first but there's no such thing as a successful business that doesn't generate revenue. that's why i'm not touching my personal tastes or feelings for nirvana into this oRABhoot from the main topic. i like how you went personal first :p:

and none of the band UH listed aside from alice in chains even came close to generating the return nirvana did. how long did those banRAB last on major labels? did they all manage to release a full length before getting dropped?
 
If I remeraber correctly his mix of the album was sent to the record company & they didn't like what they heard & ordered a load of changes , which was the main reason he fell out with Cobain.
 
i don't know where the concept that cobain hated the idea of being a successful musician comes from. he might have hated being famous but from anything i've read or seen about the guy he pretty much always wanted to be successful at playing his music. he just didn't want to have to wear spandex and poof his hair or having to pretend like he gave a crap about what some vapid talking head from the tv asked him when it was the 400th time he was asked the same question that week.

pearl jam was never anti-success. they were anti ticketmaster doubling the cost of tickets with additional fees and surcharges.
 
I'd have to go with Nevermind.

In Bloom and Smells Like Teen Spirit are just too much damn fun on drums for warming up for In Utero to be better,
 
I always felt Nevermind sounded bigger then In Utero, which to me, has a more garage band sounding quality to it.

I'll really have to listen to them both again, perhaps I will hear what you hear.

Amendment: I don't hear what you hear as I gave it a listen this weekend, still think it's a bit more crude sounding then Nevermind.
 
Doesn't matter how much they returned or how long they lasted because that wasn't your point. You said would a record company take risks of banRAB centered around junkies as 6 of the most popular banRAB from that movement were i'd say it's a yes.
 
This is a label that signed Tad.

I just thought i'd point this out.

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It's pretty unfair to compare to a band's earnings to Nirvana don't you think? Kurt Cobain is one of the top earning dead celebrities, it's pretty unfair to compare most very successful artist's earning to his. Andrew Wood died when Mother Love Bone was just about to make it big. Mark Lanegan is still making music and while he's managed to stay under the mainstream's radar he's achieve quite a bit of critical acclaim. You know what I'm not going to talk about how much each of them has achieved that truly is irrelevant.

The point remains they were all in leading grunge banRAB and all did drugs and labels still took them. Which pretty much defeats your point that all grunge banRAB signed before Nirvana were "safe" because they were clean.
 
Both of these albums are great. But I like to listen to Nevermind more.Though In Utero is a great album and has great songs like Heart-Shapped Box, but the album Nevermind is somehow more superior.
 
k - how long they lasted isn't relevant. but when did they all get signed to the major labels? before or after the rush? once nirvana hit big heroin was in vogue all over the place, even fashion models had to look strung out. having a junkie in the band became a selling point. flannel shirts sold for $100s you know this as well as i do.

pearl jam and soundgarden already had major label releases by the time nirvana signed to geffen. the safer banRAB had been signed, only the junkies were left.



when it's about business it's ALL about earnings. mother love bone was supposed to be big because guns n' roses was. i saw mark lanegan's last show with the queens of the stone age - he kicked ass. my other question still remains. WHEN did the other junkie banRAB get signed?
 
I still really think its unfair compare Nirvana to anyone because they were the biggest band of the 90s. I realize I keep repeating the same thing over and over but not even Pearl Jam compares to them and they were the second biggest grunge band.
 
I like Incesticide more than Bleach.

Theres some pretty bad songs (Mexican Seafood, Hairspray Queen), but some really good songs to make up for it. Aneurysm, Dive, Sliver, Been a Son.

In terms of preference it goes.

Nevermind
In Utero
Incesticide
Bleach
 
Kurt Cobain said Nevermind was too slick and poppy for his tastes and that In Utero was the album he was most proud of. That being said Nevermind is easily my least favorite Nirvana album while In Utero is easily my favorite.
 
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