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Diogenes the Cynic
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It's pretty stupid to try to compare a political group (especially a racist one) to a racial minority.
Diogenes The cynic said:
I saw plenty. The 2003-2004 anti-Iraq war protests were filled with people brandishing placards wishing death and disfigurement on President Bush. You couldn't throw a stick in any direction without it hitting someone calling him a Nazi and a terrorist.
I've never been to a tea-party protest but, based on the footage I've seen, it's clear that the number anti-war protestors wishing death on Bush dwarfs the number of tea-partiers wishing death on Obama. That said, there's no doubt that some tea-partiers are making those sorts of statements.
The relevant distinction here, the difference that makes the difference, is that all the hatred and scorn heaped on Bush was deserved. Bush is a lying baby killer cunt war criminal responsible for hundreds of thousands of innocent deaths and if there was any justice in the world then he, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Blair would have been tried in the Hague, strung up from the nearest tree, and their families billed for the cost of the rope. What has Obama done to deserve the level of hatred he receives from the tea-partiers?
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magellan01
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Man, you must be really, really afraid of what's coming in November. Well, suck it up, pal, 'cause CHANGE is coming.
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gravitycrash
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Holy shit, I agree with Dio.
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Damuri Ajashi
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When someone says that, they usually don't really mean it, I think the OP really means what he says.
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Gyrate
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I am hereby saying this. I am also saying that you are a douche.
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Der Trihs
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Because they are unreasonable, and because compromise with rightwingers doesn't work. The Democrats and now Obama have been making that mistake for years; trying to reason with lunatics and compromise with the uncompromising only leads to disaster.
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Diogenes the Cynic
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Not all viewpoints deserve respect or debate. Teabaggers are basically the Klan. What is there to talk about?
By the way, my answer to the OP is that no, I don't think have the Angel of Death kill them all off in a Passover would make the country better. It's the ideology that has to be defeated, not the people. It's a rump movement that will go the way of 60's segregationists eventually.
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Damuri Ajashi
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Wait. What? huh? I think you might be confusing SFG with someone else. I don't recall SFG saying that the vitriol against Obama was mostlyracist rather than partisan. I thought her argument was that Obama is getting it worse than Clinton ever did. I think you responded to someone else who implied that Obama was catching extra heat because he is black 9which you seem to agree with, then you said, Clinton got mroe heat and he's not black. That's wher SFG jumped in.
I don't see her arguing that this is all a race thing anywhere. I think you guys might be talking past each other.
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Condescending Robot
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For those who don't believe in magic, the connection between "hoping for death" and "homicide" is less clear.
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Rhythmdvl
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I think it would be great if they all got really, really bad gas. Not explosive diarrhea or anything harmful, just nasty, bloaty, stinky, gas. And not the fun kind of farts either, but the no-relief giving kind that makes you wonder if you need an emergency change of underwear.
The only cure would be to actually think about what you're saying, writing on a sign, or chanting. Bleating out engineered marketing slogans or echoing talking points would just make it worse, but taking a moment to reflect on the truthiness of a claim and distinguish between needless fearmongering or whatnot and actual policy discrepancies would offer relief.
Sure, some people would never catch on, and would always regurgitate Rush's or Beck's latest misdirection and tortured logic despite the intestinal disgruntlement. Racists, of course, would never make it out of the bathroom long enough to congregate.
But the throng of conservatives, those whose ideas and principles are sound and whose motivations stem from policy choices rather than vitriolic emotional rampage, would gradually become tamer and more rational in their discourse.
This means, of course, that though Fox news takes a major hit in viewership, the overall goals and aspirations of tea party members actually advance more quickly and more effectively than before--their message is heard, and ideas are actually articulated, not just their silly rhetoric. Since they take the time to listen and process ideas, more compromises are achieved and working together is possible in ways that were never before imaginable.
Sigh.
If only.
Oh, of course the only way for it to really work is if it was contagious and didn't discriminate between political bents.
The only cure would be to actually think about what you're saying, writing on a sign, or chanting. Bleating out engineered marketing slogans or echoing talking points would just make it worse, but taking a moment to reflect on the truthiness of a claim and distinguish between needless fearmongering or whatnot and actual policy discrepancies would offer relief.
Sure, some people would never catch on, and would always regurgitate Rush's or Beck's latest misdirection and tortured logic despite the intestinal disgruntlement. Racists, of course, would never make it out of the bathroom long enough to congregate.
But the throng of conservatives, those whose ideas and principles are sound and whose motivations stem from policy choices rather than vitriolic emotional rampage, would gradually become tamer and more rational in their discourse.
This means, of course, that though Fox news takes a major hit in viewership, the overall goals and aspirations of tea party members actually advance more quickly and more effectively than before--their message is heard, and ideas are actually articulated, not just their silly rhetoric. Since they take the time to listen and process ideas, more compromises are achieved and working together is possible in ways that were never before imaginable.
Sigh.
If only.
Oh, of course the only way for it to really work is if it was contagious and didn't discriminate between political bents.
He's black.
Ditto.
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The Facts
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So if the Nazis were marching, you'd celebrate their "different point of view?" If the Klan was marching down your street, burning crosses and screaming "kill the niggers", you'd try to have reasoned debate?
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BobLibDem
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Nailed it. The Teabaggers are all like the drunk in Blazing Saddles: "The president is a n-" DONGGGGGG!
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magellan01
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Which amounts to the same thing in this case.
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Kimmy_Gibbler
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A masterful, if unwitting, object-lesson. "Even stopped clocks" and all that.
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Measure for Measure
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Explicitly wishing for someone's death is but a small step removed from a call to violence. You don't need to believe in magic to peer through this rather flimsy veil. But hey, if Mr. Facts wishes to qualify his remarks, he should right?
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Stoneburg
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The debate of whether or not the US would be better off without Teabaggers was derailed because people got hung up on the death bit.
I also think it is relevant to question why killing would be the natural option if you wanted to remove someone. If I would want to discuss how something would look without something else, my first instinct would not be "What if we killed them?". And I really don't want to be in the minority on this
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Sam Stone
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Once again the 'progressives' show that they're anything but.
With all the expressions of intolerance and hatred here, you'd think this is Journolist or something. Someone call Ezra Klein - we've got some new candidates for him.
This thread belongs in the pit.
With all the expressions of intolerance and hatred here, you'd think this is Journolist or something. Someone call Ezra Klein - we've got some new candidates for him.
This thread belongs in the pit.