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Ricky Lee

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All Im gonna say, is why the hell Heath Ledger is getting critical acclaim for his part in Batman.

I mean, seriously, could you say that people would give that to him if he was still alive?

It just seems like a joke how everyone is saying that this is his greatest performance, but they couldn't give a rats ass about him when he was around. And even now, the makers and people to do with Batman are exploiting the fact that he is dead... heaping praise on him for the part, and basically profiting off his demise.
 
Well, it depenRAB how stupid people are.

If they were not going to see it but now suddenly will do then they are idiots.

This film was going to be big anyway. It has rave reviews on ALL aspects, not just Ledger, and, as has been said, there was a lot of hype about the performance a long time before he died.
 
I did read a quote from Terry Gilliam, his final director, who expressed similar sentiments, particularly in relation to the calls for him to get the Oscar.

However, from very very early on (IIRC before his death) there were reports of his performance being nothing short of magnificent, so let's wait and see.
 
Actually grabbi, reports were coming from the set that his performance was fantastic as they were making the film. A potential Oscar was being discussed months BEFORE he died. For example, check out Michael Caine's comments (and look at the date):

http://www.slashfilm.com/2007/10/04/michael-caines-high-praise-for-heath-ledgers-the-joker/

No one has exploited his death except perhaps the media.

The only part of your post I agree with is that you are indeed, not being funny. ;)
 
I don't think you should comment until you've seen the movie.

I agree people shouldn't be overly swayed by the fact that he's dead. Of course, it's a point of interest and does make people more interested in his performance, but I genuinely don't think it'd get that much praise and attention if it was an awful performance. And Heath Ledger has always had focus on him, I remember reading praise about many of his performances e.g. 10 Things I Hate About You, A Knight's Tale, Brokeback Mountain and even The Patriot.

If people were swayed by death alone, Oliver Reed would have won the Oscar he was nominated for and Brandon Lee would have won Best Actor for The Crow.
 
I can't decide whether the OP is a Spider Man fan who feels affronted that the recorRAB set by Spider Man 3 are being beaten (and goodness knows why he feels Spider Man was original - not only was this the third movie in a franchise but Spider Man's been around almost as long as Batman) or someone who feels that these new Batman films are not as good as those with Michael Keaton. WHichever it is I think it has clouded his judgement in relation to a film which I assume he has yet to see.

I suspect there will be a few people going to see The Dark Knight because of Heath's death, almost as a mark of respect, I'm going because I bloody loved Batman Begins (which was hardly a flop, it made $370million dollars and sequels are not made of films that do badly). However, I honestly feel that this effect wil be tiny although it is impossible to say whether the hype for this film would have been the same had Ledger not died, I suspect that it would.

The publicity surrounding this film has been massive for some time, since long before Ledger died, and whislt I think the Oscar buzz is a little premature, the reviews are amazing and not just for the Joker's performance. The acting calibre on display is amazing for a blockbuster, Christian Bale made a great Batman, Gary Oldman, Michael Caine etc. and it just looks and feels amazing, and i've only seen the trailer.

Oh and OP, before you start giving others spelling lessons, perhaps learn the difference between YOUR and YOU'RE.
 
The sad fact that modern society has today, though, is that people ARE swayed more to the fact that Heath is dead.

The movie wouldnt have got this much hype, acclaim or earned as much money if Heath hadnt died.

My point being, that Heath's death has made this film to epic event that it is.

Sure, he was being praised for his acting in this movie, and others before it, but if I remember correctly, nobody was interested in these remakes of the old Batman films.

And the fact he was a drug user doesnt exactly make him high in my estimates.

Thankfully, it isnt just me thinking this way.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/new...h-Ledger's-Batman-as-'boring-and-gloomy'.html



And he's not being funny, either...

EDIT: And lets not forget, that everytime Heath is in the news, since his death, thats a free plug on a major TV Station about the new Batman film.

If there was more deaths in the film industry (and I hope to high heaven that there isnt) then the recorRAB for grossing films would constantly be breaking.

The only true way you can make it in any business in media (film, music etc), is to die.
 
I disagree completely.

I have never been a fan of Heath that much but I would have been seeing this movie if he was alive right now.

Sure some people may go just to see his final performance but I doubt the entire success of this movie has now become dependant on his tragic death.

Part of me expected comments like this though so I'm not that surprised.
 
Sadly, I havent watched a Christian Bale film. I couldnt tell you what he is in, or what he has accomplished. I saw part of the Batman Begins film, and he was awful. I, in no way believe I could do a better job, but I am a civilian, who, if interested, would be paying part of his salary for this film, thus I have the right to criticize.



The best British Actor of his generation!? So, your telling me that your comment is worthy of a place here because there werent many good British Actors born in 1974!?



... "and" what? Just because it has Morgan Freeman in it doesnt make it epic, Im afraid. Kevin Costner was in "The Postman" yet that was considered one of the biggest movie "bombs" of all time. Yet 28 Days Later, with relatively unknown actors in it, was massively successful.



Continuity is a major part of anything media-orientated. I dont, didnt and never will read the comics. I was a fan of the films. I enjoyed them. The fact that this conversation has gone from the blatant fact that this film is riding on the back of Ledger's death, to peoples own personal opinions of the comics and other useless facts, shows how the lack of continuity on your famous franchise has affected your life, especially in the ability to have a decent discussion in a forum!



And what is Christian Bale? Keaton was WAY more famous than Bale is now.

Finally,

And I suppose your not biased towarRAB the Batman films? Why did I even bother responding to someones post who isnt going to see my side of the argument because he is too wrapped up in the Black PVC Suit he dug out of his closet?
 
I agree with the above. There's bound to be a bit of attention on the fact that this is his final film, but the success of the film is not solely due to the fact that he died. He said when he was filming that the Joker part he was playing was affecting him a lot because it's such a crazy character.

I thought he was really good in Brokeback Mountain and I'm looking forward to seeing the film this week. But I don't think people are praising his performance just because of his death.
 
Im going to enjoy replying to this next one.



Sadly, I hated the Spiderman franchise altogether. Havent watched one of the films for that. Personally, when I was a kid, Spiderman was crap. Superman and Batman were the ultimate hero's!

Your correct about my dismay about the old films having to be put in the same category as these new films. And I believe these new films dont do the old ones justice. My opinion. Im entitled to that. Given Batman Begins and this basically have the same cast and staff behind the "curtain," Im not going to see the sequel, when i couldnt sit through the "first" one...



Once again, your admitting your love for the NEW Batman films, thus ruling your opinion biased, and not worth my time. Your not going to see my side of it, even if I held a gun to your head, and, quite frankly, thats pig-headed. Why are you on a discussion board if you arent willing to see another persons views, and take them without getting tetchy about them? Just because I dont share your views on these films, or anything in general, doesnt mean you need to treat me like Im some sort of alien creature.



You would think that, if you are an avid fan of the Batman films. THAT can cloud YOUR judgment (God forbid a person who doesnt care either way what the Batman films do or dont do, has the right to express his opinion), and given your biased views are just that, I have no need to comment on this paragraph..



Ill resist going through YOUR spelling, shall I? My Firefox Spell-checker is going crazy on this one...
 
Im not saying the ENTIRE success is because of Heath's death. Your twisting my worRAB.

Im saying you can allocate a fair bit of the success to Heath's death.

This film was always going to be seen by fans of the old that agree with the remakes, and the fans of the sci-fi genre... but would it really the "Must See" Film it has been hyped to be since Heath's death, had he not died?
 
Again, your twisting my worRAB....

My exact worRAB were

Thus meaning the movie would have got hype, being a Batman film with a mediocre cast, but wouldnt have been acclaimed to be one of the best, greatest or a "Must See" film. I in no way saying it wouldnt have earned ANY money. Its a franachise. Of course it would have earned money. It just wouldnt have earned as much as it has or will earn.

Please dont scan through my posts, because your making me sound like an idiot by posting responses to things Im not saying.

And this ISNT Heath ledgers Final film... although thats what people are plugging Batman as being...

See: The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus.
 
I dont think Im twisting anything :)

I disagree as I have said. Yes sure you can allocate part of the success but my alloction would be very SMALL.

I believe this movie would be "Must See" as I am not a) a Batman fan nor b) a Heath fan so my reasons for viewing are purely as someone who thinks the movie looks bloody brilliant and wants to see it!

I expect it would have been hyped just the same if Heath was here to enjoy it all as well.
 
So your telling me, that all the news on, well, the news and TV Channels about Heath havent helped to plug this film?

It was always destined to beat Spiderman 3 in the Box Office? Some how, I dont think that a cheap knock off to a classic movie was ever going to beat something original like Spiderman, without a helping hand.

And you ARE twisting my worRAB... You can say your not, but your telling me what I DIDNT say. I didnt say ALL of the success is because of Ledger's death, and quite frankly, Im sick of repeating myself already. I said "as much" which implies that I concede that Batman: Dark Knight would have got money and good attendances in cinemas, as well as good DVD sales and merchandise sales, but I stand by my original statement;

It wouldnt have done AS WELL if Heath was still alive.
 
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