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Mercedes
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this is why political threads blow, only threads where people wish cancer on each other
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Illegals"They come here for a better life" and "Jobs Americans Won't Do"
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icanbreakthesecuffs
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legalize the current illegals, then start upholding illegal immigration laws.
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RyeBread
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*gasp-wheeze*
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Sailer
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Republican, Democrat, this shit isn't about parties, the parties are basically the same, this shit is about big business. Big business runs this country not the parties and certainly not the president.
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momentum
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Ivy Mike
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Because of the way our tax system works, it still won't be enough. The majority of wealth is held by the top 15% or so in this nation and therefore, those top 15% pay the majority of our taxes.
The few hundred bucks the immigrants pay in might entitle them to our social programs but it would by no means pay for them.
We can't afford a flood of immigration.
The few hundred bucks the immigrants pay in might entitle them to our social programs but it would by no means pay for them.
We can't afford a flood of immigration.
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bernie
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paranoid american, whoodathunk?
its YOUR govt's way of keeping labor costs down.
its YOUR govt's way of keeping labor costs down.
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kendog
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i think the vast majority think like you, the media just pretends like there are a lot other than biased hispanics against the laws
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seventh circle
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probably not.
Republicans are torn. They hate illegals but they LOVE big business
Republicans are torn. They hate illegals but they LOVE big business
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momentum
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u mad
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Hannibal King
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them mexicans do what they gotta do to survive. All they trying to do is get money, same thing u should be worried bout.
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Scottwax
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Not a specific plot, but the governments of those countries do nothing to discourage their poor leaving to come to the US. Obviously those leaders have so little pride in their own countries it doesn't bother them in the least they suck so much no one wants to stay.
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Mugatu
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An illegal alien is not an immigrant.
Breaking the law for " a better life" doesn't excuse anything - I ca get a better life by murdering my neighbor and taking his stuff, that makes it K?
I have yet to see a job "Americans won't do" - this is a bullshit myth. I see Americans holding signs for hours by the side of the road in the heat of summer. What this is is a bullshit made up by companies who don't want to pay people the legally required wages to justify basically enslaving illegals. And the morons who supposedly "care" about these people are buying into this shit.
Breaking the law for " a better life" doesn't excuse anything - I ca get a better life by murdering my neighbor and taking his stuff, that makes it K?
I have yet to see a job "Americans won't do" - this is a bullshit myth. I see Americans holding signs for hours by the side of the road in the heat of summer. What this is is a bullshit made up by companies who don't want to pay people the legally required wages to justify basically enslaving illegals. And the morons who supposedly "care" about these people are buying into this shit.
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goph
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illegally immigrating to OT
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Ivy Mike
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A plane ticket is far cheaper than a big hospital bill they skip out on.
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Ghost of Swayze
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i wish illegals came here and did our thread making for us
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Hannibal King
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Lets look at some of the numbers behind the anti-illegal rhetoric thrown around.
The latest Rasmussen poll regarding Arizona's immigration law says it found that 55% Favor Immigration Law Like Arizona's For Their State. It's not surprising given that the foundation of all the immigration legislation enacted thus far in various states is based partly on fact and a lot of fiction.
For example, two of the main reasons supporters say that any kind of immigration bill is needed is because of escalating crime committed by the undocumented and abuse of the healthcare system.
Looking at Arizona, one has to wonder why the crime portion would be a premise for their infamous SB 1070 when crime rates are actually at their lowest in four decades.
According to the FBI, the number of violent crimes reported in Arizona between 2005 and 2008 dropped by almost 1500 while the number of reported property crimes during the same time period decreased by 8000.
Data compiled by the Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) show that the violent crime rates in Arizona from 2006-2008 are the lowest they have been since 1983. In 1998, the rate of violent crime was 577.9 per 100,000. However, according to the Department of Homeland Security, by 2008, this rate had dropped to 477 per 100,000 - despite the fact that Arizona's illegal immigrant population had increased by 70% during this same time.
The other often cited complaint of undocumented immigrants which inspires swift action to enact punitive state immigration enforcement is healthcare. According to the rhetoric, undocumented immigrants take advantage of our healthcare system and are overburdening our emergency rooms.
Yet, a new report by the National Center for Health Statistics finds that this common argument is nothing more than another smokebomb thrown at a gullible public and even more gullible politicians.
According to the report, the majority of people filling up emergency rooms are senior citizens and African Americans.
Among the three ethnic groups: white, black and Hispanic, Hispanics had the lowest rates of emergency room visits.
A few other key findings are:
Among the under-65 population, the uninsured were no more likely than the insured to have had at least one ED visit in a 12-month period.
The percentage of Medicaid beneficiaries under age 65 with four or more ED visits in a 12-month period (5%) was higher than the percentage of persons with four or more visits among the uninsured (2%) and those with private insurance (1%).
Children and adults under age 65 with and without a usual source of medical care were equally likely to have had at least one ED visit.
The data also show that persons without a usual source of medical care are not more likely to have an ED visit than those with a usual source of care, and that uninsured persons are not more likely than others to access the ED for nonurgent visits.
Since undocumented immigrants fall under the umbrella of the uninsured, and given the stats on ethnic use of emergency rooms, it's clear that Latino undocumented immigrants don't "abuse" the system as they are accused of doing.
Do undocumented immigrants use emergency rooms? Of course they do, and the fact that anyone would begrudge them of doing this, since this report pretty much spells out that the uninsured use emergency rooms for urgent care, seems particularly inhumane.
These are only two examples illustrating how two of the arguments levied against the undocumented, as reasons enough to create the kind of legislation we, as a nation, condemn other countries for, are manipulated and exaggerated to fit an agenda of a small self-serving group.
If the Rasmussen poll is to be believed and more states follow Arizona's lead, it's hoped that each state looks at their own situation to see if what the canned rhetoric says really does apply to their cases.
The big surprise may be that things aren't as bad as they are being led to believe.
The latest Rasmussen poll regarding Arizona's immigration law says it found that 55% Favor Immigration Law Like Arizona's For Their State. It's not surprising given that the foundation of all the immigration legislation enacted thus far in various states is based partly on fact and a lot of fiction.
For example, two of the main reasons supporters say that any kind of immigration bill is needed is because of escalating crime committed by the undocumented and abuse of the healthcare system.
Looking at Arizona, one has to wonder why the crime portion would be a premise for their infamous SB 1070 when crime rates are actually at their lowest in four decades.
According to the FBI, the number of violent crimes reported in Arizona between 2005 and 2008 dropped by almost 1500 while the number of reported property crimes during the same time period decreased by 8000.
Data compiled by the Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) show that the violent crime rates in Arizona from 2006-2008 are the lowest they have been since 1983. In 1998, the rate of violent crime was 577.9 per 100,000. However, according to the Department of Homeland Security, by 2008, this rate had dropped to 477 per 100,000 - despite the fact that Arizona's illegal immigrant population had increased by 70% during this same time.
The other often cited complaint of undocumented immigrants which inspires swift action to enact punitive state immigration enforcement is healthcare. According to the rhetoric, undocumented immigrants take advantage of our healthcare system and are overburdening our emergency rooms.
Yet, a new report by the National Center for Health Statistics finds that this common argument is nothing more than another smokebomb thrown at a gullible public and even more gullible politicians.
According to the report, the majority of people filling up emergency rooms are senior citizens and African Americans.
Among the three ethnic groups: white, black and Hispanic, Hispanics had the lowest rates of emergency room visits.
A few other key findings are:
Among the under-65 population, the uninsured were no more likely than the insured to have had at least one ED visit in a 12-month period.
The percentage of Medicaid beneficiaries under age 65 with four or more ED visits in a 12-month period (5%) was higher than the percentage of persons with four or more visits among the uninsured (2%) and those with private insurance (1%).
Children and adults under age 65 with and without a usual source of medical care were equally likely to have had at least one ED visit.
The data also show that persons without a usual source of medical care are not more likely to have an ED visit than those with a usual source of care, and that uninsured persons are not more likely than others to access the ED for nonurgent visits.
Since undocumented immigrants fall under the umbrella of the uninsured, and given the stats on ethnic use of emergency rooms, it's clear that Latino undocumented immigrants don't "abuse" the system as they are accused of doing.
Do undocumented immigrants use emergency rooms? Of course they do, and the fact that anyone would begrudge them of doing this, since this report pretty much spells out that the uninsured use emergency rooms for urgent care, seems particularly inhumane.
These are only two examples illustrating how two of the arguments levied against the undocumented, as reasons enough to create the kind of legislation we, as a nation, condemn other countries for, are manipulated and exaggerated to fit an agenda of a small self-serving group.
If the Rasmussen poll is to be believed and more states follow Arizona's lead, it's hoped that each state looks at their own situation to see if what the canned rhetoric says really does apply to their cases.
The big surprise may be that things aren't as bad as they are being led to believe.
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Sailer
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I agree with you, but something is better than the nothing they pay now. And trying to keep them out will cost a hell of a lot more.
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Hannibal King
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dude are you just pulling shit out of your ass?
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ahtnamas
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You're so creative for posting an awful internet forward your mother probably sent you on OT