ideal kitchen
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In article , [email protected]
says...
I'm in the UK, where most pet cats have outdoor access. Qwners
routinely vaccinate against FELV and other infectious diseases of cats.
Most of our cats lived into old age (up to 20) and none of them died of
leukaemia or any other infection.
Janet
says...
I'm in the UK, where most pet cats have outdoor access. Qwners
routinely vaccinate against FELV and other infectious diseases of cats.
Most of our cats lived into old age (up to 20) and none of them died of
leukaemia or any other infection.
Janet
Ms. Muffin (:
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Steve Pope wrote:
Speaking as someone who has a family member who is a home builder, he
most certainly does not make money when his houses don't sell. He's had
to sell off lots to discount fly-by-night builders to keep money flowing
in this rough period.
Speaking as someone who has a family member who is a home builder, he
most certainly does not make money when his houses don't sell. He's had
to sell off lots to discount fly-by-night builders to keep money flowing
in this rough period.
In article , [email protected]
says...
Dishes can easily be stacked in drawers (and all the contents seen at
a glance). When you open a drawer you know the contents won't fall
out/off/down the back; unlike pull out shelves. I much prefer deep
drawers to cupboards.
Janet.
says...
Dishes can easily be stacked in drawers (and all the contents seen at
a glance). When you open a drawer you know the contents won't fall
out/off/down the back; unlike pull out shelves. I much prefer deep
drawers to cupboards.
Janet.
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On Thu, 27 Jan 2011 20:12:53 -0500, Cheryl
wrote:
Yes, it's called a soffit. I prefer that over the dust catching open
space that's so popular these days. Of course cabinets to the ceiling
are great if you have a 6ft stepladder handy to climb on and good
balance. I'd either fall off the ladder or drop something on somebody
while trying to get it up or down from the top shelf.
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Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
wrote:
Yes, it's called a soffit. I prefer that over the dust catching open
space that's so popular these days. Of course cabinets to the ceiling
are great if you have a 6ft stepladder handy to climb on and good
balance. I'd either fall off the ladder or drop something on somebody
while trying to get it up or down from the top shelf.
--
Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
"Storrmmee" wrote in
news:[email protected]:
Island, breakfast bar, 36" stove, 2 ovens, frig with freezer on the
bottom. No granite counter tops. Long neck faucet with vegatable
sprayer. Lots and LOTS of drawers and cabinets to the ceiling.
Placement of sink, frig and stove/oven placed in triangle
locations.
Such as:
sink
fridge stove
news:[email protected]:
Island, breakfast bar, 36" stove, 2 ovens, frig with freezer on the
bottom. No granite counter tops. Long neck faucet with vegatable
sprayer. Lots and LOTS of drawers and cabinets to the ceiling.
Placement of sink, frig and stove/oven placed in triangle
locations.
Such as:
sink
fridge stove
usagirl_2348
New member
On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 15:06:59 -0600, "Storrmmee"
wrote:
I don't see how a different surface will change that unless you go
with foam rubber and bubble wrap. Have you ever tried bar mats?
--
Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
wrote:
I don't see how a different surface will change that unless you go
with foam rubber and bubble wrap. Have you ever tried bar mats?
--
Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
Storrmmee wrote:
- Full classic walk-in pantry with plenty of shelving
- Wall mount double oven or oven / microwave combo *in addition* to the
normal range oven. If using a cooktop only, double wall oven and
separate microwave.
- Give a lot of thought to spice storage, either in shallow drawers with
tilt racks, or cabinets with swing or pull out racks.
- Some folks like the trendy pot filler faucets by the range / cooktop,
but consider a full small bar / prep sized sink next to the range /
cooktop instead. This will allow you to both fill and *empty* pots
without carrying them a long distance to the main sink, and given the
overpriced nature of the pot filler faucets, will be a similar cost.
- Ensure your lighting plan provides even light coverage without shadows
in the work area. Also ensure that all light sources are the same color
temperature i.e. don't mix fluorescent and halogen, etc.
- If you are using gas appliances, ensure you have a combo gas and CO
detector in the room, though not too close to the appliances to avoid
false alarms. If nat gas, the detector mounts high, if LP gas it mounts
low due to the different densities of the gasses. Smoke detectors are of
course a must regardless of the heat source.
- Be sure to provide a suitable place for a kitchen fire extinguisher.
Having one readily available can make the difference between a minor
cleanup and significant damage.
- Consider mounting a tablet PC recessed into a cabinet door or
otherwise conveniently located in the primary prep area so you can get
with the times and refer to your electronic recipe database vs. fighting
a self closing cookbook and getting it dirty in the process. The touch
screens on the tablet PCs clean pretty easily.
- If you have city water, or mediocre well water, install a reverse
osmosis system and filtered water tap at the sink as well as connecting
it to your ice maker. They aren't expensive these days and they make a
*big* difference in water quality.
- If you're looking at doing a work island and are not planning to have
appliances or sinks in it, consider making it movable. There are dual
swivel locking casters available that are easy to lock and unlock, yet
do not wiggle around when locked. I helped some friends build such an
island for their kitchen, based on an antique commercial work table we
saw and they love the enhanced version we built for less than 1/3 the
asking price of the antique.
Antique: http://wpnet.us/island_table/1.jpg
CAD model: http://wpnet.us/island_table/2.jpg
Completed: http://wpnet.us/island_table/finished.jpg
- Consider not falling into the fad of granite or similar counters. They
are indeed durable, however that are also hard (stuff brakes easier on
them), loud, and expensive. Consider doing one section of counter ~2'-3'
wide in such a material, and using a "softer" material on the rest. I
have a section of marble as my dough / pastry work surface, and laminate
on the rest.
- Some folks like having dual dishwashers so they can flip-flop between
them and not have to unload the dishwasher and put stuff away after
every load. Dishwashers are pretty inexpensive these days, so if you
have sufficient space for two side by side, it's not a crazy idea.
- Full classic walk-in pantry with plenty of shelving
- Wall mount double oven or oven / microwave combo *in addition* to the
normal range oven. If using a cooktop only, double wall oven and
separate microwave.
- Give a lot of thought to spice storage, either in shallow drawers with
tilt racks, or cabinets with swing or pull out racks.
- Some folks like the trendy pot filler faucets by the range / cooktop,
but consider a full small bar / prep sized sink next to the range /
cooktop instead. This will allow you to both fill and *empty* pots
without carrying them a long distance to the main sink, and given the
overpriced nature of the pot filler faucets, will be a similar cost.
- Ensure your lighting plan provides even light coverage without shadows
in the work area. Also ensure that all light sources are the same color
temperature i.e. don't mix fluorescent and halogen, etc.
- If you are using gas appliances, ensure you have a combo gas and CO
detector in the room, though not too close to the appliances to avoid
false alarms. If nat gas, the detector mounts high, if LP gas it mounts
low due to the different densities of the gasses. Smoke detectors are of
course a must regardless of the heat source.
- Be sure to provide a suitable place for a kitchen fire extinguisher.
Having one readily available can make the difference between a minor
cleanup and significant damage.
- Consider mounting a tablet PC recessed into a cabinet door or
otherwise conveniently located in the primary prep area so you can get
with the times and refer to your electronic recipe database vs. fighting
a self closing cookbook and getting it dirty in the process. The touch
screens on the tablet PCs clean pretty easily.
- If you have city water, or mediocre well water, install a reverse
osmosis system and filtered water tap at the sink as well as connecting
it to your ice maker. They aren't expensive these days and they make a
*big* difference in water quality.
- If you're looking at doing a work island and are not planning to have
appliances or sinks in it, consider making it movable. There are dual
swivel locking casters available that are easy to lock and unlock, yet
do not wiggle around when locked. I helped some friends build such an
island for their kitchen, based on an antique commercial work table we
saw and they love the enhanced version we built for less than 1/3 the
asking price of the antique.
Antique: http://wpnet.us/island_table/1.jpg
CAD model: http://wpnet.us/island_table/2.jpg
Completed: http://wpnet.us/island_table/finished.jpg
- Consider not falling into the fad of granite or similar counters. They
are indeed durable, however that are also hard (stuff brakes easier on
them), loud, and expensive. Consider doing one section of counter ~2'-3'
wide in such a material, and using a "softer" material on the rest. I
have a section of marble as my dough / pastry work surface, and laminate
on the rest.
- Some folks like having dual dishwashers so they can flip-flop between
them and not have to unload the dishwasher and put stuff away after
every load. Dishwashers are pretty inexpensive these days, so if you
have sufficient space for two side by side, it's not a crazy idea.
Jean B. wrote:
I would rather have Corian, Silstone or Zodiac than rela granite.
Better sealing, more exact choices, better ability to specify shapes.
When we switched to a place with ceramic tile floors I thought it would
be better because it's easier to clean. It turns out our feet hurt if
we stay in the kitchen for a longer than usual cooking sequence. It's
why professional kitchens get rubber mesh on the floor.
For looks I'd go with bamboo floors over cork. Both are just slightly
yielding for the feet.
I would rather have Corian, Silstone or Zodiac than rela granite.
Better sealing, more exact choices, better ability to specify shapes.
When we switched to a place with ceramic tile floors I thought it would
be better because it's easier to clean. It turns out our feet hurt if
we stay in the kitchen for a longer than usual cooking sequence. It's
why professional kitchens get rubber mesh on the floor.
For looks I'd go with bamboo floors over cork. Both are just slightly
yielding for the feet.
On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 21:22:22 -0500, "Jean B." wrote:
Sounds like you need an L shape, galley or Pullman style kitchen. The
best kitchen set up I ever had was a tiny galley style apartment
kitchen. Of course, it was short on storage space for literally
everything, but a large pantry for groceries etc and a butler's pantry
china & crystal would have taken care of that.
--
Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
Sounds like you need an L shape, galley or Pullman style kitchen. The
best kitchen set up I ever had was a tiny galley style apartment
kitchen. Of course, it was short on storage space for literally
everything, but a large pantry for groceries etc and a butler's pantry
china & crystal would have taken care of that.
--
Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
I see what you did there.
New member
On Mon, 7 Feb 2011 10:31:05 -0500, "Janet"
wrote:
I think you got your money's worth out of the old cook top - 30 years
is long enough. I don't want antiques in the kitchen either.
Have you done any refrigerator research yet? Looks like the
compressor is going out on mine and we will replace it rather than
repair it when it dies (a new compressor is $700). Unfortunately,
refrigerators are not what they used to be even ten years ago and I'm
limited to models 30 inches wide. I can go taller, but not wider due
to where it's placed.... plus we want American made. This will not be
fun. :/
--
Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
wrote:
I think you got your money's worth out of the old cook top - 30 years
is long enough. I don't want antiques in the kitchen either.
Have you done any refrigerator research yet? Looks like the
compressor is going out on mine and we will replace it rather than
repair it when it dies (a new compressor is $700). Unfortunately,
refrigerators are not what they used to be even ten years ago and I'm
limited to models 30 inches wide. I can go taller, but not wider due
to where it's placed.... plus we want American made. This will not be
fun. :/
--
Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
the_bubbleh
New member
Storrmmee wrote:
I have wood elsewhere. I am not going to have that dictated by
the cats. If necessary, I'll refinish when I sell. Not that I
want to think of that.
--
Jean B.
I have wood elsewhere. I am not going to have that dictated by
the cats. If necessary, I'll refinish when I sell. Not that I
want to think of that.
--
Jean B.
Go Bananas
New member
On Jan 24, 10:28?am, "Storrmmee" wrote:
There's no such thing as ideal. That said, some of what I consider
ideal directly contradicts others' opinions.
Most of what I wash by hand is too big to to into the dishwasher.
That makes it also too big to go into the bowl of a double sink.
Give me a sink big enough to fit a half sheet pan (11x17") flat.
Not too deep, either, I don't want to have to bend double to
reach the bottom.
My stand mixer is on the countertop. We made a custom cabinet
to fit the microwave, resulting in more clearance for the stand
mixer. No lifting, no sweat.
I don't like an enclosed trash container. All of my dream kitchen
plans have a couple of square feet near the back door for the
trash can. I get a major squick factor thinking about garbage
inside a cabinet. I want it out where I can monitor its status.
My husband is short, so if I had the space, I'd minimize the
wall cabinets, and have windows looking out on my backyard
instead.
Stove on an outside wall so I can vent directly through the wall.
Anyplace that has a drain will need a vent stack. A sink or
dishwasher in an island is a non-starter for me.
No appliance garage for me. They're just a waste of
counter space. Seldom-used small appliances
go on a pull-out shelf in a lower cabinet.
Sheet vinyl flooring. No, it's not fashionable. But it's
seamless, easy-care, not cold in the winter, and
easy on the feet.
Cindy Hamilton
There's no such thing as ideal. That said, some of what I consider
ideal directly contradicts others' opinions.
Most of what I wash by hand is too big to to into the dishwasher.
That makes it also too big to go into the bowl of a double sink.
Give me a sink big enough to fit a half sheet pan (11x17") flat.
Not too deep, either, I don't want to have to bend double to
reach the bottom.
My stand mixer is on the countertop. We made a custom cabinet
to fit the microwave, resulting in more clearance for the stand
mixer. No lifting, no sweat.
I don't like an enclosed trash container. All of my dream kitchen
plans have a couple of square feet near the back door for the
trash can. I get a major squick factor thinking about garbage
inside a cabinet. I want it out where I can monitor its status.
My husband is short, so if I had the space, I'd minimize the
wall cabinets, and have windows looking out on my backyard
instead.
Stove on an outside wall so I can vent directly through the wall.
Anyplace that has a drain will need a vent stack. A sink or
dishwasher in an island is a non-starter for me.
No appliance garage for me. They're just a waste of
counter space. Seldom-used small appliances
go on a pull-out shelf in a lower cabinet.
Sheet vinyl flooring. No, it's not fashionable. But it's
seamless, easy-care, not cold in the winter, and
easy on the feet.
Cindy Hamilton
Rochell baby
New member
On Mon, 7 Feb 2011 10:29:39 -0500, "Janet"
wrote:
Also, you can view items on a pull out shelf as you would on a regular
shelf - from the side, so you can see what's on the bottom without
unpacking it. I replaced all of my bottom shelves with pullouts and
the only complaint I have is the obvious. I lost shelf space due to
the new configuration. So keep that in mind too. You won't be able
to put back everything you have on them now unless you increase the
number of bottom cabinets.
--
Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
wrote:
Also, you can view items on a pull out shelf as you would on a regular
shelf - from the side, so you can see what's on the bottom without
unpacking it. I replaced all of my bottom shelves with pullouts and
the only complaint I have is the obvious. I lost shelf space due to
the new configuration. So keep that in mind too. You won't be able
to put back everything you have on them now unless you increase the
number of bottom cabinets.
--
Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
On 2011-01-25, Doug Freyburger wrote:
How old are your street shoes and/or tennies?
I jes went through this. Got so bad I was on a cane, ferchrysakes!
Achy joints, gimp knees, etc. Turns out it was jes me trying to be a
cheapsombitch and wear some old shoes long after "worn out". Still
had tread and held water, so why not.
Turns out the wear on the heels and soles changes your natural
pronation. No biggie when young, but after 50-55 yrs old, can be
crippling. I finally realized what was happening and bought new
shoes. It's been about 3 mos and I'm almost normal, again.
No kidding! Scared the crap outta me. I thought I was gonna hafta
get a knee replacement. NOPE!! $120 for damn good shoes. Way
cheaper than knee surgery.
Seems I forgot my late FILs advice:
"You live one third of your life on your feet and one third in bed.
Never go cheap on shoes or mattresses"
Words to live (pain free) by.
nb
How old are your street shoes and/or tennies?
I jes went through this. Got so bad I was on a cane, ferchrysakes!
Achy joints, gimp knees, etc. Turns out it was jes me trying to be a
cheapsombitch and wear some old shoes long after "worn out". Still
had tread and held water, so why not.
Turns out the wear on the heels and soles changes your natural
pronation. No biggie when young, but after 50-55 yrs old, can be
crippling. I finally realized what was happening and bought new
shoes. It's been about 3 mos and I'm almost normal, again.
No kidding! Scared the crap outta me. I thought I was gonna hafta
get a knee replacement. NOPE!! $120 for damn good shoes. Way
cheaper than knee surgery.
Seems I forgot my late FILs advice:
"You live one third of your life on your feet and one third in bed.
Never go cheap on shoes or mattresses"
Words to live (pain free) by.
nb
On Mon, 7 Feb 2011 15:57:20 -0000, Janet wrote:
That's not an issue for my pull out shelves because I don't keep my
dishes in bottom cupboards - I keep them above the counter. If you're
worried about something falling to the back, put up a tall side on the
back portion. I considered it, but haven't regretted not doing it.
--
Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
That's not an issue for my pull out shelves because I don't keep my
dishes in bottom cupboards - I keep them above the counter. If you're
worried about something falling to the back, put up a tall side on the
back portion. I considered it, but haven't regretted not doing it.
--
Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
On Mon, 07 Feb 2011 09:47:41 -0800, sf wrote:
Why don't you practice what your preach?
Paying $700 to replace a compressor on an old fridge is 'bout as dumb
as it gets... that's putting good money after bad... there are many
more parts on that fridge about to die, the repair guy is gonna love
you, probably literally when you see his bills. It's much smarter to
purchase a new fridge... 30" width is a small fridge, doesn't cost
very much even for top of the line... put the $700 towards the new
fridge. Then again after rereading I can see that how you express
yourself you are functionally illiterate... no way did you finish HS.
Why don't you practice what your preach?
Paying $700 to replace a compressor on an old fridge is 'bout as dumb
as it gets... that's putting good money after bad... there are many
more parts on that fridge about to die, the repair guy is gonna love
you, probably literally when you see his bills. It's much smarter to
purchase a new fridge... 30" width is a small fridge, doesn't cost
very much even for top of the line... put the $700 towards the new
fridge. Then again after rereading I can see that how you express
yourself you are functionally illiterate... no way did you finish HS.
Physics101
New member
On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 03:30:47 -0800, "Bob Terwilliger"
wrote:
It's your dog, a dog that is exhibiting behavior I would strongly
discourage... but whatever rocks your world.
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Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
wrote:
It's your dog, a dog that is exhibiting behavior I would strongly
discourage... but whatever rocks your world.
--
Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.