Hulk franchise - CGI's darkest hour?

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I think so, certainly the first one, it was simply ridiculous, may well have had buggs bunny interacting with real life characters for all the realism it had.

But isn't the Hulk movie franchise indicitive of the belief that just because something is new, it doesn't make it necessarily better than what went before.

I think the Hulk character by Lou Ferrigno in the 80's TV show and that was just make-up and green paint. Why wouldn't that work today? Obviously make-up technology (such a thing) and techniques would have meant a huge improvement on the look but it would have been more realistic.

Imagine of Freddy Kreuger was CGI rather than a man in make up. Sorry but traditional 'man in make-up' works. Sure you cannot ask the studio for a
 
I don't know if it's the CGI's darkest hour because when you take into consideration the amount of movies using CGI,there has to be quite a few low budgets movies around that look exceptionally bad.

But Hulk is the worst mega budget,Hollywood movie I've seen from the standpoint of the amount of bad CGI,however it did stay faithfull to the original creation.

Nearly every movie has some sort of bad CGI scene but Hulk looked just phoney,so did Van Helsing and The Mummy Returns.
 
I remember certainly on the first movie, reading and hearing quotes attitubuted to those inolved that they wanted to some how distance themselves from the Bill Bixby television series and stick to the original comic book character.

I think the 80's TV series if updated would make a great movie.
 
I think so too,well it could of but they've made this Incredible Hulk movie which from what I have read is barely average and the CGI again looks bad.

To me the human,emotional aspect of the TV series is mostly why it worked in the first place,sure we needed and wanted to see the Hulk but less was more.Unfortunately Hollywood does not think kiRAB will sit through something similar and instead only want video game like sequences involving a phoney looking Hulk.
 
The movies are trying to honour the original source material, the comic, in which Hulk was an enormous green creature. The TV series was not faithful to the look of the Hulk due to the budget and make up restraints at the time.

Modern day make-up could probably do a good job, it works in Hellboy, but just a man in green make-up would not be enough.
 
I dont think the TV series ever really wanted to be faithful to the original. Marvel acted as consultants to the series but only so the program could secure rights to the name.

For a start the man responsible for the Hulk TV series wanted the creature to be red and argued long for this to be the case (Marvel refused) and the who ethos was on the emotional side and the struggle of the David Banner character (Bruce Banner in the comic, another difference) to try and cure himself of this terrible affliction and not big super-hero beating on the bad guys.

So I don't think it's fair to say that the TV series wasn't faithful to the original due to make-up budgets, the intention was clearly to make a very different version.
 
darkest hour?

hardly

it's quite hard to do "dirty cgi" really well ..... helps with a bit of motion blur and particle effects though

with HULK, they went with the original ideas, as he bounded over lanRABcapes and such ..... they were never going to go with the tv series, budget-wise or scale .....

also overkill is a word too often spoken in terms of cgi ..... considering some of the films mentioned for it (star wars prequals, which george lucas said couldn't be made before) ..... remember the scale of the storylines involved?

as for VAN HELSING, it had that kindof sheen to it, to emphasise the story's roots (like a black&white movie), and the effects were over the top ..... but they were done really well IMO! i would like to see then doing the same kind of effect on the mummy films

as for characterisations, that depenRAB on the writing .....
 
It completely takes me out of the movie as well. I was cringing whilst watching the big CGI fight scene at the end of The Incredible Hulk because it was like watching a video game battle.
 
I think it'd be good to make a TV-series version of the Hulk which would probably been a sci-fi-based psychological drama rather than an action series.

Many people forget that it was the television series and it's popularity that actually brought the Hulk back to life and back into the public conciousness, which is why I think it's a shame that it's so dismissed these days by those who made the movies.

It's not a very well hidden secret that Marvel disliked the TV show as it wasn't a comic-book adaptation and producers fought hard to keep Marvel's role in it to one of mere consultant. Indeed Stan Lee gave an interview way back when where he's quoted as saying that he wanted the creature (TV series) to start to talk, which just sounRAB awful.

Incredible Hulk would be a good movie if it concentrated on the darkside and not have a team of 30 twenty four year olRAB, fresh out of film college staying up til 3am for two years on making comic-book esque fight-scenes with a computer generated image of the main character.
 
Incredible Hulk would be a great movie if they brought back the 'grey' Hulk from the comics of Peter David and Todd McFarlane.
When the comic was out it outsold just about everything (even x-men) and it had a brilliant conclusion. Then the two creators had a massive falling out and ended a great partnership.
 
You dont happen to be GC online do you?

im sick of oldies saying the 80's version of a man in make up would have been better.

NO IT WOULDNT! The hulk is meant to be huge, thats the way of the comic books, a slightly green toned man would have made a rubbish movie!!!!

Comparing the idea to use a CGI hulk to the idea of using a CGI Kreuger is ridiculous.

Hulk is in CGI because hes meant to be this huge mutated monster, something which if you wanted all the action Hulk has, wouldnt be possible with prostetics and make up!
 
Fair point, and I didn't mean it to sound like they changed the Hulk only physically due to make-up etc, I understand they were going for a different vibe in the series. However, there were limitations to what the Hulk could do as a man in make-up. The movies are based more directly on the ethos of the comic, thus require a much more formidable force in the Hulk.
 
Hulk in the comics is nine feet high, one metric tonne of angry muscle that can jump 50 feet. Like Gollum in Lord of the Rings, either you use CGI, or you don't make a film of the character as he is supposed to be. There is no way you can make a person look like that, and the idea of a some big lug painted green to represent this is risible. Prosthetics and CGI each look equally unrealistic - just in different ways. CGI is often used in a lazy way in films and TV, but I have to say I do not think for one second either version of the Hulk (especially the newer on) is an example of this.
 
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