HTC EVO 4G vs. iPhone 4 (was: so I spent about 2 hours with the EVO 4G today...)

Sounds like an excuse rather than a response, it CANT be the iPhone that did it, the 50 Million iPhone owners must all be victoms of evil marketing.

Maybe im not so good at getting my ideas across, but i agree with the original post, and this one: "polished consumer product wins out over rigged cutting edge tech product for me"
 
Wrong. It does count for what is defined as a superior functional UI.

If I am downloading and updating several apps on the iPhone, and I'm using Facebook or Twitter, the phone OS simply has no means of telling me if the app installation is successful or not when I am deep inside the Facebook or Twitter app.

But Android lets you know status of the download, installation and success, without leaving the app.

To find out if my app updates or installation is successful, I have to leave my Facebook or Twitter app, then swipe the home screens to check if the app install is successful by checking the icon.

That blows.

I don't think that even Apple agrees with you that the iPhone OS works well, since they just hired the WebOS UI notification designer yesterday to fix their notification issues.
 
i currently use iphone 3GS, non jailbroken, ATT here in Atlanta

i don't really have a problem with ATT or Apple but i was drawn to the EVO 4G because of the features: 4G, big screen, flash, camera with flash, HD video just to name the main ones

here are my gripes about the EVO 4G

EVO is larger than the iphone, i mean i saw pics side by side but it is substantially larger when holding them (total volume i guess)... wouldn't be a deal breaker but i didn't like it

EVO interface... NOT SMOOTH! scrolling, swiping, etc. all choppy! i mean you can see it is trying to be smooth like the iphone but it just isnt. how hard can it be to make things flow smoothly? they got the processor power right? i guess it doesn't really affect the true performance of the device as it still works, but the USER EXPERIENCE from it is just not there.

flash supported... well kinda. only certain types of flash are supported and i don't know what differentiates these types. i went to SPEED TEST website and you the flash animation that zooms into the USA map then picks the server closest to your city? CHOPPY! like 5 frames per second choppy. and i know it wasn't the connection because the EVO scored on avg about 3Mbps download speeds and 500Kbps uploads

HD video isnt truly 30fps, it's 25fps which should be ok because hollywood movies are like 25fps and smooth but for some reason it's still slightly choppy... WHY???

8MP camera with flash... so it takes better pics than my current iphone 3gs, and the flash works albeit on the blue tint side of things, but the pics themselves when zoomed into detail are all jaggedy. i think we are the victims of the megapixel wars here where the 8MP is overkill for the hardware of the lens and flash. and the pics will never ever replace a compact point-and-shoot like my rugged LUMIX TS2 (heck even the LUMIX 720p video way better). so in my opinion, the camera and video are still second rate. for example say i'm going to a birthday party and know i'm going to take pics, well i would still bring a cheap digital point and shooter because those pics/flash are still way superior to the EVO... and for a vacation? not even an option. i would only use it in spur of the moment occasions

4G was faster than iphone 3GS for internet browsing, in particular the latency was a lot less. i would search for something and it would instantly start loading whereas the iphone would hesitate 1 or 2 seconds before loading stuff. but it wasn't 2x as fast. it wasn't even 50% faster. it was like 10-30% faster depending on the website and how many images were on it. SPEED TEST said EVO was 3Mbps/500kbps while iphone was 2Mbps/275kbps but those are test results.

4G wifi hotspot... well it works but for some reason it limited download speeds on any connected devices to 200kbps... i tried changing encryption, lowering the max number of users from 8 to 2, nothing helped it. the EVO itself would still get around 3Mbps itself while still operating in hotspot mode so no idea here... but if that's the way it works NO THANK YOU!

EVO web browsing SUCKETH! you think i'm crazy? when you zoom into an area it rearranges text to try and cram it all into the screen size! WTF! i zoomed into a picture and got like 2 sentences of enlarged text... i had to pan right 2 swipes to see the picture! it changes the true layout of the webpage so that you cannot really orient yourself based on a birds eye view of a rigid structure. while this may be good for ALL TEXT webpages, it totally sucks for pictures with texts... which is like 99% of the web. and there is NO WAY to turn this rearranging off... what brilliant engineer thought this up?

video calling... so i couldn't test this out but my question is this... do you really want to have video calling all the time? i think it's a novelty that might have some uses in group situations or vacation situations... or baby monitoring... but for the most part i still enjoy the visual anonymity of regular voice calls. this might have an added beneficial side effect of making users more attractive all the time as they always want to look their best for phone calls...

the screen was nice, that's about it. but seeing the new iphone 4 screen i think it's a short lived victory.

all in all i seriously considered the EVO but i gotta tell ya on paper it looks great, but user experience it is sorely lacking. how many billions does Google have? can't they throw money at the Android interface and make it smooth like Apple? how hard can it be? o well i guess i'm waiting for the iphone 4
 
Who needs to check the status of a download when in the middle of doing something else?? I guess I just trust my OS to do the job correctly. I download and forget - If there were notifications for that on the iPhone, I would turn those off because it would annoy the heck out of me.
 
A friend of mine got it aswell. He says it's a nice phone but after seeing the iphone 4 yesterday hes going to be returning the htc evo.
 
I'm still evaluating the EVO. Good thing you have 30 days. There are good things, and bad things compared to my 3GS. Since I'm not upgradable until 2/11 even though I got my 3GS at launch, I'm really thinking about switching over, but the 4 has some really fine upgrades
 
Do you think the system is detecting this 3G/4G wifi hotspot and limiting the dwn and up speeds for a reason..?? Or maybe the phone itself within its programing it set to limit the speeds while on this wifi hotspot..??
 
Drillbit:

Computers are not MP3 players are not smartphones. When you're making a touchscreen-focused OS, you don't need umpteen different models because you won't get much different functionality. It would be folly for Apple to release a new model every three months, because you'd be getting only a mildly different experience: a bit cheaper for one model, a little bit faster for another. I don't see Apple going with a hardware QWERTY keyboard model, either, since it would have a relatively negligible benefit.

Carrier choices we know are changing. Verizon, and possibly Sprint, seem increasingly likely for the fall. I think we can safely say Apple wants extra carriers in the US now that Android is a concern, and a CDMA iPhone would mean KDDI, too. And given that the iPhone 4 now has the 800MHz 3G band, it sounds very likely that NTT DoCoMo will follow.



No. Just no. This has nothing to do with hardware requirements. Right now, you can own a Sony Ericsson Xperia X10 -- a phone with a 1GHz Snapdragon like the Evo 4G -- but can't even think of running Twitter or other apps because it's still stuck on Android 1.6 and won't have 2.1 (let alone 2.2) until late this year. Samsung Behold II and Galaxy owners will never get upgrades to 2.x builds, even though both use reasonably fast processors and were released a year ago or less. How soon do you think you'll get Android 2.2 or 3.0 on an Evo 4G?

And that's the problem: even with the steps to try and solve Android's fragmentation, you're faced with the very real possibility that your ultimate, speed-demon smartphone can't run OS features and apps released just a few months later. Apple might lack variety, but you won't get a rude surprise and find out you can't run app X until six months from now.



Don't know what software you're using, but iTunes is simple if you want it to be. Android's Google sync is great, but woe be to you if you have info on your computer that you want to get on to the phone, or vice versa! It's not the hardest thing to do, but explaining to someone that they need to mount the phone as USB storage, find the music folders on their computer, drag the files over into this part of your SD card and eject isn't exactly my idea of a good time. Most of the complexity comes from wanting to get precise control over music playlists, podcast updates, and exact app management. You can't really claim Android has an advantage here when it doesn't even have the option unless you know to find a third-party utility like doubleTwist or Missing Sync (neither of which is as capable as iTunes in most areas).

Most Android phones are good, but catering to the hardcore doesn't necessarily make you better; if anything, it puts a ceiling on where you can go. I don't want the experience completely watered down, but I don't think the iPhone is facing that danger yet. Basic Android phones like the Cliq or Devour have so far actually fared worse, so don't think it's just a matter of price or slapping on a custom UI, either.
 
The choppiness is likely due to the Sense UI, and WiFi tether has been reported to give higher speed than the Sprint/HTC WiFi router app.
 
When Apple finally introduced MMS I have never seen anything there that's any better than what a cheapo Nokia featurephone would do.

Video chat has been with the Japanese for at least 8 years and the Koreans for the last 2 to 3 years now and it does work well. I've seen the video conferencing done on the Nokia. It does work well, but like anything it depends on the quality of your data transmission. My DoCoMo provider has been offering this service for the last two years. AT&T is the last place I would expect this would work.

When Apple finally implemented multitasking, there isn't there from what I saw that's any better than the multitasking paradigms I've seen on Symbian, Blackberry, Android and WebOS.

You think the iPhone sells that many units? It only sells 2% of all the handsets in the world.

Apple maybe right about Flash, but right now, the fastest JS execution engine is with Google's and its on Chrome. Which is moving to Android 2.2 Froyo. If I want the fastest HTML5 browser I'm not shopping for Safari.

As for HTC, in my practical experience, their software keyboard blows away both Apple's and Google's default software keyboards.
 
I've seen some reports of the Evo screen lifting from the bottom already. I'm no Apple fanboy, but you can't knock the build quality of their phones.
 
LOL. The OS doesn't control the bandwidth. Try downloading an app while you're walking around. Lets say, you hit a weak spot on the RF. When the RF is weak, sometimes apps still download, sometimes they do not. Apple OS won't inform me if they actually did stop, but Android does.

If you don't like notifications, go with a cheap featurephone then, because notifications are what is expected with a superior smartphone OS. Even Apple has acknowledged it needs working with transparent non obstrusive notifications by hiring the WebOS designer.
 
Wrong. Computers are just like MP3 players. Figure this out and you will see why PCs still own more than 90% of the desktop and laptop race.



Nope. The 800 MHz support is not officially verified. Its only a possibility for a future model. But I don't think its likely because this would mean version fragmentation on the iPhone SKU.



You never own an Android 1.6 device ever to tell me what can run and what I can't. I DO.

Between Android 1.6 and Android 2.1, the amount of apps that can't run is little. Surely Twitter for Android doesn't, but every other Twitter app can, including the very excellent Twicca which is better than any iPhone Twitter app I've seen (which I have more than 8 in my iPod Touch).

The Sony Ericsson X10 is the only laggard superphone on Android 1.6 right now. Everyone else is on Android 2.1 now, having just handled the Galaxy S and Milestone XT720 just recently.



Wrong too. The iPhone is getting fragmentation as well. The older models can't run iPhone OS4, and now you have three different screen resolutions to deal with --- the iPhone, the IPhone 4 and the iPad. The fact you got unique iPad applications show you got fragmentation. Android tablets by the way, run on the WVGA resolution, which is the same res as the high end Android smartphones. Android only has 3 resolutions.



That's BS, and coming from an iTunes user with about $1500 worth of music, apps and videos sunk into the ecosystem.

Android does have an app called Double Twist if you like an iTunes style sync and it works. But for the most part, Android phones will open like any flash drive and you can load music into any folder you created. The music and video apps automatically finds the apps and lists them when you run them. I can load files much faster on any Android SD card than going through the iTunes sync.

Lol, you don't know how simple Google Sync can be. It works with your GMail desktop browser! If I have a picture on my hard disk which I want to associate with my contact, assuming you're not using Google Sync on the iPhone, what is your procedure with iTunes? You have to launch iTunes, and from iTunes, add the file to the Photos, then sync the phone, which goes through blah blah blah like the insanely long backup procedure though that can be shorted. All sorts of physical attachment and removal is needed.

You want to know how to add a picture to a contact to an Android phone?

In your PC, start browser
Go to your GMail
From GMail contacts, add the picture.

That's it. No cables and all that sh*t. In a few minutes, that picture is pushed into the phone. If you got three Android phones, the picture is pushed into everyone of them. If you got a hundred Android phones, it will be pushed to everyone of them.



I've seen Android phones used by the most un-hardcore people I've seen. Most Blackberries and Symbian smartphones are a lot more geekier than Android and they still sell tons more than iPhones to the common masses.

Geez man, I am able to update my Droid Eris from Android 1.6 to Android 2.1---while watching a movie inside a theater with the phone in my pocket. While in the movie my phone vibrated with a message of the update. I press on the series of confirmations than continued to watch the movie and before the movie long ended, the phone has finished a complete OS upgrade and ready to go into action complete with phone contacts reinstalled. Yes, my customized UI got messed up with the UI returning to pure default but every contact and app is there. You tell me when your phone is ready for a complete Cloud based OTA update on the OS level with Cloud based backup and recovery, completely automatically without using a PC and USB cables, completely mobile and autonomously.
 
This is pretty much the same gripes i have with the EVO 4G. For people used to the iPhone its just a messy experience switching to something else. People throw numbers out there like 8MP and 4G, but it doesnt have too much substance when you look deeper. The iPhone is really really polished. Its a great phone though, best of all the iPhones competition
 
Notifications are annoying, IMHO. It takes a total of a whole two seconds to check anything anything I need to check on my iPhone. What you deem as a 'superior OS' is different from what someone else thinks is important.
 
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