How do the big year plus long arcs of Manga compare with the 'events' of superheros'?

Not really. If it runs in a magazine, chances are the editors can have their way with the title whenever they want, it's just it rarely gets mentioned due to the fact they love to keep a lid on those types of issues where as Marvel/DC are more open about them. Dragonball and Naruto are prime examples of the creator getting jerked around by editors and more than willing to blab about their working conditions.

Both Marvel/DC and Japanese magazine comics have major problems with their format. Marvel/DC with the fact it's all rehashing and never enRAB, only relying on gimmicky events to keep sales afloat. Japanese magazines with the fact it will end.... about 40 years from when it starts when sales get too low, or the creator dies, whichever comes first usually. That's why I don't read any of those titles, they're not worth it for me as someone who is looking for a respectible title with a set ending and great pacing. Y, the Last Man, for example, was planned to be 60 issues from when it started and an ending was planned out from the get-go. Superman and Batman will never end, and Naruto, One Piece will not end until their fad dies down or the creator dies or gets fired for some reason. All four examples have no real ending in sight upon the time of their creation, even if they may get one later on.
 
It's about the journey. The second half was about saving humanity's soul and free will.

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Did you just call One Piece a fad or the genre one? Because either way, neither's a fad.
 
Well, I mean when it stops being the most popular comic (or however popular it is over there) and it's popularity drops. When movies and its TV show stop being profitable and so forth.
 
Once again, your opinion, but like I said, there are different ways to view a story.

As for me, Near's character was a good addition to the story, even if I still preferred L over both him and Mello.

Also, you are missing the point of the time skip. The author wanted to show Kira's infuence over the world, and having it all just happen within the time span of a few months is really what would have been poor writing, since the main part of the 1st arc only took place within a year's time, and having so much change around the world in such a short amount of time would not be believable at all, even for a manga series. You believe that the 2nd arc was not needed, but compressing elements of the 2nd arc into the 1st arc would have made the 1st arc feel like the manga was trying to cover too much story at once, since there were already lots of things going on at the time. It just would have made the story much more confusing. Also, with people like Light and L, it was made clear that, as part of their characters, they would not allow a case so big to last too long. They were both determined to end the scenario as soon as possible, both putting their lives at risk for what they wanted to achieve.

And yes, there are rules to good and bad writing, but even those aren't the same for everyone, besides the very standard ones. However, the fact of the matter is, I, as well as some others, at least, found the 2nd arc to be entertaining, which shows that its not considered to be poor pacing to everyone. Also, if you think about what the word pacing really means, a story arc should be considered to have good pacing if it tell its story within a reasonable amount of time, and does not feel too dragged out, or too rushed. To me, the 2nd arc felt fine, as it had good pacing, overall, with the exception of the slow start that it got off to.

And, as long as we're talking about what's necessary and what's not, what about Super Hero comics? Is it really necessary for each super hero to have more than one villain? Is it really necessary for their to be more than one story in which they fight a villain? Can it not just end with them having a conflict with a major enemy, and having the story revolve around that, as their character develops, and then end with the conclusion to that one story?

My point, with these questions, is not to say that super hero comics are all dragged out, or should only have one single story. I'm just pointing out that a lot of things that they do can be seen as "not being necessary" to just about anyone who feels like saying that. However, that doesn't mean that they are bad, if they have more than one villain or story, as long as the writing is mostly decent or good.

Its the same thing with Death Note. Sure, the 1st arc could have been corabined with the 2nd arc, but for all you know, that could have ended up with really bad results, screwing up the 1st arc in the process, since so many things happening at once would just make the story feel very crammed in and rushed. However, as you have expressed, you did not enjoy the 2nd arc (and I'm assuming its more than just because "it wasn't necessary," but also because you did not enjoy its writing, which is fine, if that's your opinion). But, even so, people like me still enjoyed the 2nd arc, and since the 1st arc did not accomplish anything that would lead to a satisfying ending, in terms of its own ending, a 2nd arc felt necessary, to those of us who enjoyed it, personally.
 
Man...this argument is getting out of hand...I mean when it comes down to it both U.S. Cape & Cowl comiscs & japanese Maga comics are both Equally enjoyable..Neither is really better then the other its all up to the persons individual taste.

and about Rehasing...Both US comic & manga rehash Ideas or use simmilar ones. I mean I can't get past how simmilar the Hollows of Bleach our to the Heartless of Kingdom hearts, or the Blanks from the Bleach movie our similar to the Nobody's form KH2. and Street fighter & Naruto both borrorw elements from dragon ball to a point.

or how much DC & marvel have both borrowed ideas from each other over the Decades


Both mediums have there ups & downs but both are great examples of Storytelling & art.


to qoute Conan edogawa "Case Closed!"
 
I don't think one format is inherently better than the other, but I do have my own personal preferences. Anime and manga series have far more self-contained stories with actual endings, which is a big plus for me, even if some of the more popular examples end up lasting a decade or more. Then you have something like the Gundam franchise, which may be ultimately a commercial production at heart but at least manages to tell some compelling or simply entertaining stories, more or less successfully depending on the circumstances. In some respects, its use of alternate universes is a good way to keep things new while still remaining profitable.

The Superman, Batman or even Spider-man comics will never end and, while I may occasionally watch a certain adaptation or two, I have no interest in them as larger franchises at this point in my life. The comic books themselves are going absolutely nowhere, changing everything just to go back to the beginning every so often. With a few notable exceptions, there's ultimately not much of a point. Character development just runs around in circles.

Honestly, in hinRABight I've been more of a fan of the self-contained non-comic book adaptations. In that sense, it was a very good thing that the DCAU ended when it did, as much as I greatly enjoyed the ride. It would seem that the creators themselves noticed this. Even the current Batman movie franchise will run out of ideas, sooner or later, and we'll just see another reboot or a simple moratorium.
 
Thats a common missconception characters don't "GO back to the beggining" there series will get relaunced every now & then for Example when marvel Supposedly killed off thor his series, ended when he cam back a new Thor series started at #1 there was no restart or retconning of the orgion mearly a new title for an old charcter same goes for Ghost rider, Spiderman, iron man, etc,, the only time the origions are retold is if its a new universe all together Like Ultimate Marvel for example. Not to mention some comics..Like RUnaways..have seasons...its cuurently on Volume 3 (season 3) issue 6.


it is true there our retcons in comics but you must realize these series have lasted Decades & Retcons are nessecary I mean origianlly Capitian amercia was unfrozen in the 60's as of Y2k he was unfrozen in the 80's. I mean all the major marvel events are still in continuity as well as the characters its...but i mean the mentality of most US comic universes is that super heroes have been around only 2 decades max! so certain things have to be done every now & then to keep the characters from ageing to much. Yes US comics have there kinks but so does manga again,..both our awsome forms of media! case closed!!!
 
I wasn't trying to be strictly literal there though, I meant going back to the same status quo rather than only repeating a character's origin story...but I think my statement applies to your description of the process as well. Good stories can still be told in spite of this, I have no doubt, but the point is...really, what reboots, retcons, restarts, or whatever have actually meant something and contributed to developing a character when all is said and done? Very, very few. It's usually the lesser characters who may go through more important changes which actually last (and even that isn't certain, because whether it's Marvel or DC they just love to mess around with continuity), but not the flagship heroes and villains.
 
But still, regardless of whether you felt it was poorly paced, or not, Death Note is merely just 1 manga, in an ocean full of thousanRAB of them. You were saying earlier that there are more dragged out manga than dragged out comic books, in general, but IMO, that statement really holRAB no ground, for either side. What I mean, is that there are thousanRAB of comic book series, and thousanRAB of manga series. In reality, there isn't really anyone who can say whether one has a flaw that occurs more frequently than the other, unless they themselves have seen an insanely huge portion of each, meaning that they have litereally spent a huge portion of their times reading and analyzing many titles from each, and more than just 1 or 2 hundred manga or comic books.

So, really, in a way, I do feel that trying to argue which of the 2 are better, or which is more flawed, is rather pointless, since there will always be other who have examples from the series to work against you, with the fact that there will always be plenty of series that you as an individual have not read. For that reason, I personally can't compare comic books to manga, themselves. Instead, all I will say is that they both of have their fair share of good, bad, and mediocre titles. And, at that, which titles are good, and which titles are not, are also completely subjective to the reader, with Death Note being the perfect example, in this specific case.
 
No, but you spot trenRAB in both comics and manga, without having to read everyone in existence.

A lot of mangas have pacing problems and lot of comic books suffer from certain gimmicks (over the top retcons, stories being interrupted by crossovers, etc)

You can spot trenRAB in movies and TV shows, without having to see every TV show ans movie in existence.



Retcons work fine when there smaller in nature, I mean Scarlet witch, Quicksilver and Magneto weren't related at first, but they retconed that and everyone loved it, Purple Man wasn't always a rapist serial killer, that was retconned in and everyone liked that. Really now retcons aren't bad in themselves, they are neutral, it depenRAB how they are used that determines if they are bad or not.
 
True, but there are also a lot of flaws in both manga and comics that one would only start to spot after reading an enormous amount of each of them.

So, that said, I still stand by my statement that its really pointless to compare comics to manga, because they each have lots of strong points and lots of flaws. You could name 10 good comics, and I could match it with 10 good manga. The same goes for if you listed 10 bad comics and I listed 10 bad manga (and once again, this would all only be subjective, anyways). If people did something like this, then the list of both good and bad comics and manga would seem to go on forever, without any clear "victor" being present among the two. That's the basic point that I was trying to make.
 
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