How badly is anime's popularity fading in the US?

Like I said, just make it different.
You can have a drama story, but make it different.

You can have an epic story, but make it different.

You can have a dark story, but make it different.

I'm not asking for perfection! Sure, you can have a battle scene that feel like DBZ. Sure, you can have a pretty boy as a main character. Sure, you make a girl that doesn't fit in. BUT MAKE SURE WHAT YOUR DOING IS NOT A RIP OFF!

You can have a love story, but lets make the girl tough then a shy, durab, big boobs babe. Make her smart, make her fun. And please, don't make her fall for a guy because he's hot. Hey, that girl need a man! Not a pretty picture to look at!

You can have something basic, but change it a little. You got a brain, use it! Add something new. Add something that I might like.
 
All in my head and in the Cartoon Network executives' heaRAB. I'm sorry, but you are denying something with solid evidence. There is no logical reason to axe shows that are still getting Top 10s (without advertising, I might add, which is quite a feat). Of course, this is Cartoon Network we're talking about, so should I assume they are not thinking logically?

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Isn't Excel Saga just one big parody series though? I've only seen a few episodes, but I wouldn't be surprised if the intent was that it was parodying the exact covers you're describing.
 
They don't have to hate the nation, but there is clearly an agenda against anime at CN (which still counts as xenophobia (fear/hatred of something foreign)).

Anyways, I'm not especially excited to discuss this further because I'm not in the mood to derail the thread/get another infraction.

I just looked it up and it looks quite clearly like a parody to me. Of course, I might be biased, since I've seen the series before.
 
OK, I get it and I agree.

Now, how exactly is today's anime less original than older anime? I'll admit this current season might not be as strong overall as, say, the 2003-2004 season, but saying that "anime back then=good, anime now=bad" is throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
 
The obvious answer would be, "both." License enough "safe" properties to create a reasonable profit margin, enabling you to occasionally go out on a lirab on something that might tank or might be the next big thing.

Of course, then the real trick becomes figuring out which shows really are "safe," and when you'll reach the point of diminishing returns in terms of devoting resources to licensing, dubbing, packaging, and promoting them. Same deal with the risky shows, for that matter: is it a show that you can reasonably expect to spread through word-of-mouth (and if it doesn't, it was never destined to be a hit anyway), or is it worth risking a bigger promotional budget on the off chance it might catch on among an audience who might never have heard of it otherwise?

These are complicated questions that need to be handled on a case-by-case basis and can't be answered in simple terms like "Oh, failed anime distributors reap what they sow when they oversaturate the market with too much crap."
 
There's already plenty of anime that's DIFFERENT, both recent and classic, I honestly don't expect anime to constantly reach new heights of creativity consecutively and regularly, and I don't think anyone else should. And I very rarely come across an anime that lacks some creativity of some sort, or is very clearly a rip-off, I feel a lot of people are looking at anime as if it was one big stereotype instead of a plain and simple form of entertainment. Hollywood movies are just as subject to not trying anything different, that doesn't stop them from producing a few good gems every year, whether or not they go down as innovative classics or not. I don't see nearly as much complaining from American fans over the movies they watch as I do with the anime they watch, which I find quite troubling.
 
The "woah, exotic cartoons!" luster has faded, and the anime fandom has coaleced at a similar level of say sci-fi fandom.

It's heavily popular as a sub-culture. Mainstream it isn't in the public eye.
 
1.Theres nothing wrong with supporting nerRAB, if I can find a Smart on the road then whats wrong with imprting else thats potentionally nerdy?

2. Well, they do and it dosen't help that we often try to mimic them, you could stop all imports but then we'd have alot of fake anime and GM's that just wish that they could be Japanese.

3. I beleive you there but is that also why Funis been re-realising DBZ and FMA?
 
Well, I was born in the 1990's, so I don't know everything whats going on in the past and now. But I been seeing a lot of old school anime, and back then there were more new idea's then the same old things you have been seeing.

Lupin the 3rd, Pokemon, Kinnikuman, Gundam, Big O, Hajime no Ippo, Sailor moon, Tenchi, Fist of the North Star, etc. Yea, those anime are not old and most have been done before, But at least it trys to be different.


One anime show that I will always call a rip-off between Yu-Gi-Oh and or Pokemon are: Beyblade, Duel master, and Bakugan. To me, TO ME it doesn't even try to change...At all. Thats just me though.

Personally, I think now Japan know U.S is eating all these anime up, they can keep on pumping the same old same old, and we can't tell the difference.

Ok-Ok, maybe I'm being a little hursh on Japan. They did gave me Lupin the 3rd & DB(Z) and many others.

I just see more of the same old same old thing. It doesn't even try to be different.
The art style looks the same, the plot has been done.

Through me a bone here, Japan.
 
I don't have a seat on CN's board of directors, so I don't know what the Suits there are actually thinking, but I have a hard time swallowing the notion that the current regime at CN is somehow prejudiced against Japan or is harboring some disdain against Japanese animation, at least not in the personal sense that you seem to be implying.

It is clear that the Powers That Be over at CN are trying to change the face of the network; it could just be a simple case of them attempting to weed out the shows from the past few years in order to make room for the new ones.

Plus, as was mentioned earlier, there haven't been any anime coming down the pike lately that have equaled the phenomenal success of DBZ or Pokemon. It could just be a simple case of CN not wanting to sink money into importing a show that's not guaranteed to bring in the lion's share of the ratings. It could also be that their money's already sunk into their upcoming projects, and there's just no more room in their budget to import a bunch of new anime.

I'm not saying that you're 100% mistaken, I just have a hard time believing that it's as simple as "CN has it in for anime now".
 
I wouldn't go that far. We all know it took heavy liberties, especially changing the premise of certain episodes, and changing up the jokes a bunch, but it was still a sitcom about a naive and quirky little boy that due to his innocence (or sometimes lack thereof) gets into trouble with his authority figures or peers in very odd ways. Despite some for-comedic-effect dialogue changes the characters have essentially the same personalities as their Japanese counterparts, as do a certain portion of the episode scenarios.

And I wouldn't call the show an outright failure. It certainly hasn't been doing as well as FUNimation has been hoping it would and I kind of blame it on the show coming on [adult swim] at a bad time in [adult swim]'s history. I've mostly seen "Shin-Chan" do fine in the ratings, I've seen it in the top three highest-rated plenty of times and one Saturday I remeraber seeing it as the nuraber-one even though it was stuck at 1:00 A.M. It's gotten a very positive from the people that have watched it, both regular followers of anime and casual fans. The DVD sales, while not as strong The problem is really "Shin-Chan" coming at a time when [adult swim] is caring less about acquisitions. It got some pretty good promos from the show's inception on the block but from the second season on they became less frequent and most importantly it got stuck on Saturdays with bizarre changes in its timeslot. It really should have been on the comedy portion of [adult swim], but it got stuck with action shows simply because it was an anime. More importantly as an anime [adult swim] effectively doesn't own the show in any way, so of course they wouldn't put it on Sundays and care as much about making it successful. I mean they're biggest new set of reruns for [adult swim] are "King of the Hill" and "The PJs", shows that Turner Broadcasting already owns.
 
Those old anime you mentioned are classics. There were plenty of rip-oRAB of the classics. We just remeraber the classics and not the rip-oRAB.

It'll be the same with the current batch of shows: the good will be remerabered (hopefully great shows like Michiko to Hatchin and Hetalia will grow in popularity over time) and the bad will be forgotten.
 
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