Help with What.CD

ca_aok said:
Who has more reason to lie?
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It's the truth members on here have more reason to lie than whatman. But also his site is constantly bashed on these forums, and it may be just an attempt to regain credibility.

It is truly alarming how many members will speak out against what.cd as compared to other sites. It should really convey a strong message.
 
The reason why you were disabled again is simple. When you went into the disabled channel, you did not tell the truth and mention that you had had second account. When pyth3n found this out, he banned you again, for dishonesty - white lies are still lies.

In creating this thread, you've made me perform further investigation. Your second account was identified as cthuskies1988. It was invited by the user kw1k. When questioned, kw1k said that he had bought the laptop from someone named Jon, and you, Michael, were some random guy that he knew in high school and hasn't spoken to in years.

The stories don't add up. You say you sold your computer to kw1k, he says he bought it from Jon. So who are you?

EDIT: I also despise the number of people here (in every thread of this vein) who suggest that he cheat his way back in by getting a second account, and offer him advice on how to avoid detection. It is because of people like you that many staff no longer offer help on this forum, and it will be because of you that the remaining ones will eventually abandon it. By creating posts like this, you are driving utility away from your community, and by driving utility away from it, you are contributing to its own eventual destruction. This is not advised.
 
This is what we have to work with:

-map07023 claims his name is Mike. This I believe, because he has a university email address.
-He invited a user who he calls Jon (jayb0ne), who invited himself twice.
-All accounts were disabled.
-Half a year later, a user called kw1k, who Mike claims he sold his computer to, and claims is Jon, signs up and invites Mike three hours later. He got the invites by donating with jayb0ne's (Jon's) email address, which he claims his invitee (so-called Jon, but really Mike) did.
-kw1k posted on the forums that his name was Jon.
-However, when we brought him into IRC for questioning, he claimed that his name was James, that he had invited Jon, and that Mike is some guy he hasn't known for years. He claims that jayb0ne (who Mike claims is Jon) is a previous coworker of his (Mike makes the same claim). ie, both Mike and James agree that jayb0ne is a previous coworker of theirs named Jon, despite (allegedly) Mike having donated on James's account with jayb0ne's email.
-We do know with 100% certainty that kw1k (James) invited the user map07023 (Mike), and not Jon as kw1k (James) claims.
-All users have the exact same taste in music.

Thus, the only logical conclusion is that they are all the same person (Mike) pretending to have multiple personalities and lying through his teeth. The kw1k account will be disabled (even if it isn't Mike, kw1k is still guilty of lying), and all other accounts will remain disabled.
 
All I know is that the staff of What.CD is downright stupid. They really think that I made multiple accounts despite so much evidence pointing to the fact that it is false. They are also extremely rude. I don't think I would want an invite back even if I was given one. Shocked at how dumb some of those people are...
 
WhatMan said:
This is what we have to work with:

-map07023 claims his name is Mike. This I believe, because he has a university email address.
-He invited a user who he calls Jon (jayb0ne), who invited himself twice.
-All accounts were disabled.
-Half a year later, a user called kw1k, who Mike claims he sold his computer to, and claims is Jon, signs up and invites Mike three hours later. He got the invites by donating with jayb0ne's (Jon's) email address, which he claims his invitee (so-called Jon, but really Mike) did.
-kw1k posted on the forums that his name was Jon.
-However, when we brought him into IRC for questioning, he claimed that his name was James, that he had invited Jon, and that Mike is some guy he hasn't known for years. He claims that jayb0ne (who Mike claims is Jon) is a previous coworker of his (Mike makes the same claim). ie, both Mike and James agree that jayb0ne is a previous coworker of theirs named Jon, despite (allegedly) Mike having donated on James's account with jayb0ne's email.
-We do know with 100% certainty that kw1k (James) invited the user map07023 (Mike), and not Jon as kw1k (James) claims.
-All users have the exact same taste in music.

Thus, the only logical conclusion is that they are all the same person (Mike) pretending to have multiple personalities and lying through his teeth. The kw1k account will be disabled (even if it isn't Mike, kw1k is still guilty of lying), and all other accounts will remain disabled.
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:wacko: And I thought staffing here could be confusing at times.
 
Have you ever stopped to think that it might be related to the huge number of members they have there? And the amount of cheaters, traders, sellers and so on that it brings altogether?

And I don't know if we're talking about the same what.cd, but I don't see them being bashed anymore than any very popular site around here. What I do see, are some members who actively engage in criticism, for the simple fact they bother to come explain the situations that happened.
You don't see many trackers doing that, and that's why some try to take advantage of it.
 
I am not trying to be manipulative at all...I am honest and just trying to get my account back. I can get references from power users that I know in RL and others that prove all of this.
 
As I posted earlier the disabled channel admins only come here to defend what.cd. They have no intention of helping anyone on here.

All they do is harass members and expose fabricated private information.

Its almost as if they have not got enough satisfaction from banning people on the disabled channel.
Only thing I can figure is that the disabled channel was empty and they were looking for a battle.

I mean they literally have no other posts besides those incriminating disabled what.cd members......

I really don't have a major problem with whatman as he isn't the disabled channel admins and he has proven to be helpful on the forums.
But for the own good of his site he should look into new staff members to breathe life in to their slowly corrupting disabled channel.
 
sez, people who join the #what.cd-disabled channel do not receive "shit treatment". Each person has their case evaluated, is treated fairly, and generally talked to with much more respect than they treat the staff in return. People are only banned from the network if they refuse to stop lying, and there are others in the queue to whom the staff must attend.
 
WhatMan said:
sez, people who join the #what.cd-disabled channel do not receive "shit treatment". Each person has their case evaluated, is treated fairly, and generally talked to with much more respect than they treat the staff in return. People are only banned from the network if they refuse to stop lying, and there are others in the queue to whom the staff must attend.
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The shit treatment isn't through vulgarity but through the wave of demeaning bullshit they throw at you. As you stated we are just another person in line, another number to your staff.

Do you even give a :censored: about your members.
 
Don't know why he would lie to get his way back in there. It will just make things worse.

If all of them have the exact same taste in music, then I'm guessing it's either dupe accounts or they're all into the same music, which is something I wouldn't consider a coincidence.
 
Whatman, could you possible speak to me in private some how? Aim, IRC, or something so I can provide you with some names and other things that I would not like to put out here in public?

I can also provide photo identification, and get alibis from at least 3 other users proving everything I have said to be true.

I am not trying to be manipulative in any way or form...i'm simply trying to get my account back so I can contribute the community. If I was in fact lying and everything you guys said was the case, do you think I would be on here trying this hard to get my account back? I can assure you everything I am saying is true and I can provide ample evidence to prove ALL of this.
 
Well its already been pointed out that you broke the rules, and not only once. You had more then one account yourself, and you had a friend that made multiple accounts. Considering you (and the guy you invited) broke the rules, you are lucky they even talked to you about it at all.

Learn from your mistakes and move on.
 
I'm sorry, but to be frank, who are you to say that such information is fabricated? Do you have access to the information they do? No. Were you there in the channel? No. The guy even admitted to having made a second account, which is against their rules and a banable offense in the first place.

I'm not kissing any ass here but honestly it seems you have some sort of personal vendetta against the place.

I mean they literally have no other posts besides those incriminating disabled what.cd members......
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Have you ever considered the only people who would generally have to resort to these means are those that were already told no in the disabled channel? People get re-enabled there every day, just because every once in awhile an unhappy 'customer' decides to stir things up and throw in the sympathy plea doesn't mean they're bad at what they do.

Think of it this way - you order something from Newegg (Or any other online store that allows commenting and rating) If you get the item and you're happy with it, you might be one of those few that go and post some positive feedback, but most people don't bother doing that. Now lets say you get the item and it doesn't work, or you simply dislike it, well there's an exponentially higher chance you're going to go post a negative comment with a horrible rating as soon as you can.

In sum - You're more likely to hear from people with bad feedback than those with good. You don't see members of any site posting here thanking people for being re-enabled after visiting the support channel, but you do see people whining about being denied.
 
WhatMan said:
The reason why you were disabled again is simple. When you went into the disabled channel, you did not tell the truth and mention that you had had second account. When pyth3n found this out, he banned you again, for dishonesty - white lies are still lies.

In creating this thread, you've made me perform further investigation. Your second account was identified as cthuskies1988. It was invited by the user kw1k. When questioned, kw1k said that he had bought the laptop from someone named Jon, and you, Michael, were some random guy that he knew in high school and hasn't spoken to in years.

The stories don't add up. You say you sold your computer to kw1k, he says he bought it from Jon. So who are you?

EDIT: I also despise the number of people here (in every thread of this vein) who suggest that he cheat his way back in by getting a second account, and offer him advice on how to avoid detection. It is because of people like you that many staff no longer offer help on this forum, and it will be because of you that the remaining ones will eventually abandon it. By creating posts like this, you are driving utility away from your community, and by driving utility away from it, you are contributing to its own eventual destruction. This is not advised.
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That criticism, though I understand where you're coming from, is a bit unfair.
As Rart said, we're doing a genuine effort punishing people who lie here, and there are several examples in the past few months.
You raised a good point, but it's mostly a moral issue, i.e. explaining how to circumvent tracker's rules, and we haven't given much thought about that. The main issue is that it would turn us into censors, and that pretty much goes against this forum's general philosophy. As a mod, it's a big dillema we have here.
 
I delete posts counseling cheating and give out infractions if they are habitual or explicit .
I think that it's not even necessarily a moral decision on my part, it is simply protecting a shared interest.
Really you have to draw a line at some point and I don't think that that is being unfairly suppressive.
 
WhatMan said:
sez, people who join the #what.cd-disabled channel do not receive "shit treatment". Each person has their case evaluated, is treated fairly, and generally talked to with much more respect than they treat the staff in return. People are only banned from the network if they refuse to stop lying, and there are others in the queue to whom the staff must attend.
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see this is why I like you(okay maybe also coz you are credited for gazelle),you are always responsive and I think it would be such a loss to your members if you chose to leave.
About the shit treatment,well that's basically what most of them say,good to know its not really as shitty as such.Do you happen to have watched crossing over?Good movie right?
 
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