Grade II spondylolisthesis

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I would whole-heartedly agree he neeRAB seen by a neuro, not an ortho, ASAP. The sooner he gets appropriate treatment, the better his chances for recovery. U of PA has some awesome orthos, but I think the neurosurgeons would be a better choice.
Did he injure his back lifting? In a fall? Other than pain of the back, other symptoms?[/QUOTE]

His spondylolithesis is congential. We don't know why it became worse. His work involved lifting so it might have been that. Who knows? *My* rheumatologist reviewed the MRI as a favor to me and said that he would pursue the conservative approach first with the Spine Clinic at the U of PA. They are physiatrists. Both he and his family doctor said that injections might help his particular problem.

His main symptom is sciatica which extenRAB down his left leg.

Any other input is welcome. Thank you.

Bobi
 
My son's doctor told him that injections might help him. This is what the MRI showed. He had to quit his job Friday because he cannot do the (manual)work anymore. I can't understand how injections could work for this, but what do I know? He is only allowed one consult with his insurance and I don't know whether to have him go to the Spine Clinic at the U of PA or directly to a neurosurgeon. Any suggestions. He's 34.

Bobi


Here what the MRI says (encapsulated):

There is grade II spondylolisthesis of L5-S1 associated with spondylolysis. There is slight retrolisthesis of L4 on L5. There is marked loss of disc height at L5-S1 associated with these findings, and there is a reactive marrow pattern, which is subacute. There is diffuse disc bulging at L4-5 and L5-S1 with a radial tear of the L4-5 annulus. there is distortion of the spinal canal due to the spondylolisthesis.

Impression:

There is grade II anterolisthesis of L5 on S1 associated with spondylolysis and advanced facet hypertrophy contributing to rather (and the next part is underlined) marked bilateral L5 neural foraminal narrowing and borderline canal diameter at this level. Otherwise mild bilateral L4-neural foraminal narrowing due to facet hypertrophy.
 
I had Grade1 spondylolthesis and broken hardware in my back. Also I have a fusion about L4 to T11 that never took right. I've had physical therapy and injections. Nothing has worked yet. I also had to quit my job due to the pain. I don't suggest the injections. I feel I was used just to make the doctors richer! This has gone on approximately 2 years and I still don't have any good answers. I suggest he get some more opinions as I am also trying to do. Wish I had the right answer, sorry!
 
I have been told by a doctor that he could remove my hardware and fuse me at L5-S1 and refuse L4-T11 and put in newer hardware but he said I would probably have to have a morphine pump as well. I've been tried on all kinRAB of pain meRAB and I've had nothing but bad side affects so I fear this thought. He also said that injections if they do work , its only for about a week.
 
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His spondylolithesis is congential. We don't know why it became worse. His work involved lifting so it might have been that. Who knows? *My* rheumatologist reviewed the MRI as a favor to me and said that he would pursue the conservative approach first with the Spine Clinic at the U of PA. They are physiatrists. Both he and his family doctor said that injections might help his particular problem.

His main symptom is sciatica which extenRAB down his left leg.

I'm sorry this is a duplicate. After I replied to Nitengale I realized the post was difficult to read since it all ran together.

Any other input is welcome. Thank you everyone.

Bobi
 
I just had to add that injections are'nt a waist of time for everyone, I've had 2 injections with some much needed relief. It's different for everyone so don't be discouraged! I get my next injection in 3 weeks and I hope to get through the summer a little happier...hoping I can get through the summer until another possible surgery in the fall. (I have grade 1 spondylolthesis) Well good luck, keep us posted. :wave:
 
What Is It?
Spondylolisthesis occurs when one vertebra slips forward in relation to an adjacent vertebra, usually in the lurabar spine. The symptoms that accompany a spondylolisthesis include pain in the low back, thighs, and/or legs, muscle spasms, weakness, and/or tight hamstring muscles. Some people are symptom free and find the disorder exists when revealed on an x-ray. In advanced cases, the patient may appear swayback with a protruding abdomen, exhibit a shortened torso, and present with a waddling gait.

Spondylolisthesis can be congenital (present at birth) or develop during childhood or later in life. The disorder may result from the physical stresses to the spine from carrying heavy things, weightlifting, football, gymnastics, trauma, and general wear and tear. As the vertebral components degenerate the spine's integrity is compromised.

Another type of spondylolisthesis is degenerative spondylolisthesis, occurring usually after age 50. This may create a narrowing of the spinal canal (spinal stenosis). This condition is frequently treated by surgery.

Diagnosis: A routine lateral (side) radiograph taken while standing confirms a diagnosis of a spondylolisthesis. The x-ray will show the translation (slip) of one vertebra over the adjacent level, usually the one below. Using the lateral (side) x-ray, the slip is graded according to its degree of severity. The Myerding grading system measures the percentage of vertebral slip forward over the body beneath. The grades are as follows: Grade 1: 25% Grade 2: 25% to 49% Grade 3: 50% to 74% Grade 4: 75% to 99% Grade 5: 100%* *Complete vertebral slippage, known as spondyloptosis.
Treatment: If the spondylolisthesis is non-progressive, no treatment except observation is required. Symptoms often abate once precipitating activities cease. Conservative treatment includes 2 or 3 days of bed rest, restriction of activities causing stress to the lurabar spine (e.g. heavy lifting, stooping), physical therapy, anti-inflammatory and pain reducing medications, and/or a corset or brace. A physician may prescribe a custom-made corset or brace. These are made by an orthotist, a professional who takes the patient's precise body measurements, which may include making a cast from which the molded orthoses is made.
Surgery: Surgical intervention is considered when neurologic involvement exists or conservative treatment has failed to provide relief from long-term back pain and other symptoms associated with spondylolisthesis. A spine surgeon decides which surgical procedure and approach (anterior/posterior, front or back) is best for the patient. His decisions are based on the patient's medical history, symptoms, radiographic findings, as well as the grade and angle of the vertebral slip. A variety of surgical treatment options are utilized. You should discuss what is best for your condition with your spine surgeon.
Recovery: Whether the treatment course is conservative or surgical, it is important to closely follow the instructions of your physician and/or physical therapist. Avoid heavy lifting, stooping, or certain sports such as football or high impact exercise (i.e. running, aerobics). Any doubts concerning vocational and recreational restrictions should be discussed with your physician and/or physical therapist. They will be able to suggest safe alternatives to help reduce the risk of further back problems. Keep your weight close to ideal, continue to follow the exercise program designed by your physical therapist at home, learn how to pick up things off the floor correctly, as well as other 'safe' movements.
 
[QUOTE=BobiM -- *My* rheumatologist reviewed the MRI as a favor to me and said that he would pursue the conservative approach first with the Spine Clinic at the U of PA. They are physiatrists. Both he and his family doctor said that injections might help his particular problem. >

*personally* I dont have a lot of faith in physiatrists when it comes to annular tears. They are an entity unto themselves! Very rarely have seen conservative treatment work on a tear. But, ya never know, right?
 
What they are saying is that it's not the tear itself that is causing the pain but the nerve being irritated because of the inflammation around it so possibly that is why they both mentioned injections. In other worRAB it seems that the narrowing is from inflammation. Everything you have said makes sense to me. It's hard to know what to do.

Thank you for your input.

Bobi
 
what doe's this all mean.13mm grade 2 spondylolisthesis@L4-L5with suspected bilateral L4 defect's chrouic wedge compression fracture deformity of L5 vertabra body. am i going to need surgey.please help
 
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