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rachel s

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Hey guys and gals(if there are any here) i work for a cell phone store, im there tech for repairs and flashings.. i know that you sometimes lose some functionality for roaming, pic msgs, and cricket clicks flashing some phones from other networks,

my question is, if i was to take a razr from cricket and copy everything using bitpim, can i put all the files back into another razr from another provider and get full functionality?? and can i do this with other phones as well??

Joeysan :buddies:
 
Thanks mark10p, ive done some searching, ive found monster packs for 3 phones so far, but 1 of the files end with a .187?? dont know how to use this file, but as for the rest, ive done a bit of searching here, and found how to flash to other carriers,, but didnt find anything usefull so far for the cricket ones... so here i am again, waiting for a response :P


Joey

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just to let you know taking a phone from verizon, sprint, alltel, etc... and flashing a cricket monster file on it then selling it is ILLEGAL. Its changing logos and propriety software which is illegal.
 
EEEEK! not wanting to do anything illegal, is it legal though to take a phone from another network, flash it with cricket monster pack, then setup the cx with a service plan etc, basically can i flash phones install a pack to a cx phone that wants to be able to use cricket and most features??

Joe
 
if you flash it with a monster everything works right away no need to mess with anything. But if you take a phone from another carrier and monster flash it and set someone up with a account with cricket with that phone and sell that phone that is illegal. Its breaking copyrights and trademarks. Its a big fine for dealers.
 
I've never heard that before, got a source?

I can't see how verizon could POSSIBLY make it illegal to flash a phone and sell it, even in a retail store...

They don't own the phone, nor do they own the rights to the phone, so how could they prosecute you for removing the verizon logos and info?

I'm not flaming.. I'm asking sincerely.
 
all i know is frienRAB of mine who own flashing and repair stores in phx got in trouble for doing that. He said it was something about copyrights and trademarks but idk just be careful.
 
yeah, it is technically copyrighted. if you are putting the cricket software onto a phone that cricket did not sell it is illegal, like taking your windows disc and installing it onto a different computer than you bought it on is illegal for similar reasons.

but... the only affected party here is cricket and motorola. verizon has nothing to do with it. it's cricket software that is in question and motorola hardware. cricket probably doesn't really care because they want as many customers and don't care where the phone comes from in the first place. motorola might care, only because verizon is their customer and they want verizon happy and verizon wants verizon phones used on verizon. in general the manufacturers don't really want phones to be 'flashed'. (in fact cricket has told me not to use the term 'flash' in any advertising or pop materials in my stores because kyocera got pissed. but 'convert' is fine?!?!)

just changing the prl file is not illegal in any way, unless you are violating the terms of use on a phone (this is the case with virgin mobile branded phones).
 
wow i hardley believe u now when u said u r work for a phone store and ur asking questions about it WOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOw :clapping:
 
This makes a little bit more sense...

One thing I noticed that i disagree with.. motorola is not affected. Motorola sells hardware. As such, they have little to no licensing control over what's on the phone...

As you said, verizon has no beef whatsoever.

And cricket, well, like you said, they've got no reason to have a beef. They sell hanRABets at cost, and every flashed hanRABet means a new customer or phone on their network.

I do understand the motivation a little better, but I'd think that selling flashed phones would be a lot safer than owning a business flashing phones... If you're selling flashed phones, at least you owned the hanRABet at some point... When you're flashing, according to your definition, that's the exact same thing as simply installing a pirated version of windows onto a client's computer.

*FYI, your comment about installing windows wasn't quite valid. There's nothing illegal about installing windows on a different computer than it was intended for. However, the license only allows it to be installed on one computer at a time, so you have to delete it from the old comp before putting it on the new one*

This is a really interesting subject to me... If anyone knows of any legal cases involving this issue, please, post them up. I'd happily go to court with this issue if I owned a phone store, because I don't think ANYONE can make a legitimate case as to how anyone is hurt by the practice of flashing and selling flashed phones.
 
Lol Cellster what are we not allowed to ask questions, and yeah i do work for a cell phone store, BUT,, ive only been doing this for about a month now, so im still learning as i go, also im kinda proud of being the only person in the area whom can flash phones, let alone the ppc6700 which i love..
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also Mr Candid im unable to send you a private msg, wanted to send a # in reply to your msg..
 
Motorola is also a copyright holder on the software. and you should read your windows license a little closer. that's not legal anymore.

additionally the software you are using to 'flash' the phone is almost assuredly a pirated version of proprietary motorola software which you are not licensed to use.

however, to my knowledge virgin mobile is the only company really going after dealers for doing this stuff. and they can do it because of the terms of use that they include with the phone (phone must be activated and used on virgin mobile service).
 
Feel free to post the section of the windows license you're referring to. My brother works tech support for microsoft and I verified with him that it is, in fact, still legal to install windows on a 2nd computer, provided the 1st computer is no longer using it. In fact, microsoft has an entire customer service team dedicated to issuing new validation codes in this exact scenario.


As for the PST software, you're right.. most people's copies are pirated, but if someone owns a retail store, they probably should have a legal copy, hence removing that issue. Either way, this point is on a tangent, because it is a case of software piracy, not an issue with the flashing of phones.
 
you asked why motorola had anything to do with it. that's why.

either way, unless you are buying a lot of prepaid phone with the intent of flashing them, you are probably not going to run into any problems with the current conditions.
 
Understood.

So tell me who/how virgin mobile is making a stink...are they complaining about their phones being modded to other carriers?

If so, they really don't have a leg to stand on... Microsoft even lost this battle... there's absolutely nothing illegal about modifying hardware which you own. The problem arises when you start performing software moRAB to devices which you don't own... which is exactly why it's legal to sell modded xboxes, but not legal to advertise modding services for xboxes.

I'm not flaming.. just making conversation.. I'm really curious about this issue.
 
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