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Jill S

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Yeah, I remember prices at 80 cents per gallon back in 97-98. Americans have been sheltered from high fuel prices for a long time...other countries like europe and japan pay a shitload more than we do...why do you think they all have teeny-tiny fucking cars? No, Darklight is right, Americans have this innate need to drive the biggest fucking things on the road for no real reason.
We're not going to curb our gas consumption...we're steadily buying more and more even as prices go up. This one's not going to change unless we're forced into it.
Even hybrids aren't the answer, they're only a step in the right direction.
 
GMC has developed way to seperate hydrogen from gas and then sent the hydrogen to a cell and run that way, but i haven't heard anything more on it. As for the fuel use, I have a 1982 f250 that weighs 6000 pounds, and i get 20 miles to the gallon. If you want to save gas learn to drive differntly and invest in small up grades to your motor. A k N air filter can give you up to 2 more mpg. There are these things that you can put in your air cleaner to creat a vortex and can give you 3 mpg. As for converting over to something, if you go to fords website you can build a truck that runs on CNG and gas, but i dont think that will be any cheaper. I think desle is the was to go as they run 30% more effeshintly than gas, but i gess thats gust me.

I suggest changing you driving habbits, if you haven't. When your driving aroung town drive like you have an egg between your foot and the gas pedel. When your on the highway, get up to speed quickly, and use cruse control. If you have a choise in the transmition, always get a manual, TRUST ME. The differince is up to 15 horsepower, and that equils mpg. I havn't seen any conversion kits out to convert from gas to something else yet but if i do i'll post it.
 
The whole premise of having to use a hydro-carbon fueled internal combustion engine is retarded. Nature provides man with ample energy sources. Solar, geo-thermal, wind, all can be used to create electricity. Which, once generated, is absolutely clean. Nothing to burn, nothing to explode. We can generate electricity quite effieiently, but we have a problem storing it. Other fuels are by far easier to transport, stockpile, and utilize. All of your fancy zero-point crap is kinda moot. If you want hydrogen, just use electricity to split water. It's simple. Water + Electricity = 2 parts hydrogen 1 part oxygen. Put a spark to the hydrogen, it oxidizes and becomes WATER again. It's a circle. But then instead of global warming, we'd have "Global Humidity Increases" or some other such arbitrary side effect.
 
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Or pig shit, like they use in China, but that's another day, another story.

I'm going to start storing my crap in my basement, in little jars, and power my computer like Lain does minus the anime/tentacle rape.
 
Yup...but vehicles using alternate fuel sources are inherently slower and less powerful (at this stage of development) than gas-fueled engines. And I hardly think that America's SUV-ing, 4-wheel driving, sports car racing, monster truck riding, non-car pooling, road-hogging population will even consider switching to alternate fuels. It's partly a matter of production/R&D/implementation costs from the provider's perspective, and very much a "I don't want that shit" problem from the consumer perspective. That, and companies don't want to foot the bill of building up alternative fueling stations if there's not a substantial market for it.
 
My car takes premium/plus gas so it's a little higher. In my city its $2.65/gallon for me. My only savior is that my car isn't a gas guzzler so I only really need to fill up once a week or so.


I just recently saw a commercial for those Hummer H3s. WTF? Why put out vehicles like that if all they do is piss away your gas and money :confused: ? I know that, in America anyways, it's sort of a status symbol. But its superficial BS. Save some money and get a car that will probably not only look sporty but save on gas.
 
I'll try to correct your chemitry problems hear w/o sounding like an asshole, but oxygen cannot exist by it self. Most gasses can't. Pure air is O2 Ozone is O3. and all the nature provided fuel is really hard to collect. The only way to collect solar power all the time is to be in space, Wind could be good, but i don't want a giant fucking fan on to of my car to save gas. The hydrogen cell converts H2+H2+O2 into 2*H2O using solar power so you still haven't found a way to use this at night. Geo thermal is the only power sorce found to be safe and effective at all times, however, When was the last time you saw a car cappibal of running on geothermal power, when was the last time you saw geothermal activity that wasn't being used? Poeple are tring to wein themselves off gas but were still a long way away from that.
 
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The volume of gas produced by the splitting of water into it's elemental components, yields 1 part Oxygen to 2 parts Hydrogen. It's a freakin' RATIO.
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Double A's, hell throw in a D cell...

Granted, research should be done to find more efficient electrical storage solutions, but you get the picture. I hope. :confuse:



I was merely pointing out that if electric cars used electricity that was produced by coal burning powerplants, that they wouldn't be exactly a zero pollution solution. I'm sorry you couldn't draw that from my first post without me pointing it out.
 
Ok you missed my point, oxygen CANNOT be turned in to O1. That is why this prossess is difficult to pull off. And no its not a ratio, I learned the prosses/formula that these elements go through to be used by man. And there are electric cars that run off solar pannles and batterys, however, they have no way to compeet with an equal sized/ weighted gas powered car. The police tried making electric protrol cars, and failed. Batteries can only store power for so long, any you loose quite a bit of power in the process of charging them. I do see your point about electric cars being charged by coal burning power plants, and your right. But what im saying is these abundent resorses have not way to match the price/power ratio of coal.


PS please dont challenge my chemistry, I have too much useles info stored in my big head to lose that debate.
 
A Biology and Chemistry Grad student.

The main thing stopping this from becoming reality is technology. At this time, we simply cannot fix enough ambient energy at a point in a timely enough manner to make it worth our while. Let alone make a machine that operates at a net gain.
 
I think the problem inherently lies with storage of, say, a Hydrogen tank in your car, and not so much the technology to create the reaction. My guess is once they figure out how to safely store a hydrogen source on a car, that doesn't have the potential of exploding, advances in using the technology will roll out the doors of labs everywhere. The only thing I can think to do with storage is to bond multi-tier hydrogen atoms to a solid mass. And then somehow break off the hydrogen as needed, and change out the mass when it becomes "empty". Of course, do you store the mass in a sealed tank of Argon gas, or no gas at all.

Like I said, once storage is no longer an issue, the advances will be able to be made much faster. I just don't think I would feel that safe going down the highway at 80 mph with a liquid-hydrogen tank hanging from the bottom of the car; but that's just me.
 
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