Gnutella has a problem

If posting what you accuse me of posting the same thing over and over isnt that what many others here including yourself have done too? Much of the "problems" and etc listed by other people here have also been repeated many many times over in the past here. Yet im the only one "flooding."

This isnt the first time you have called me a "whiner" for posting and supporting my opinions which disagree with yours. Why your allowed to get away with all this is beyond me.

Also please find here in this thread where i called someone a troll..

Im sick of dealing with this everytime i post here and it isnt what some people want to hear..
 
This is exactly what bearshare and Limewire are doing!

Yes sure actually they can share from each other but do you really think this is the last step? Vinnie is talking for a long time now that he wants to create his own net! And nobody hacked bearshare and can explain us what this encrypted packets etc. are doing... yes there are users reported that bearshare cuts the connections!

Only future will tell us who is right!

A yes fans fighting against each other because its a famous sport on bearshare.net to trash other clients (see Xolox), some people there think they are something special because they are using bearshare and not client X! The idea behind Gnutella is helping each other and not just yourself, I see more and more that the commercial clients don
 
Quit the Bearshare and Limewire bashing!!!!!! Before these clients, gnutella was useless. Both of these clients have implemented features to help improve d/l success rate, scalabity, and bandwidth usage. These companies have also infested thousands of dollars so everyone can have access to a better network. The talk about Limewire and Bearshare creating their own networks is bullsh*t!!!! It makes sense to make sure Bearshare clients connect to each other since they all have similiar features such as file hashing. Bearshare still connects with other clients and trades files with them, and at the same time, provides a large percentage of the available content on the gnutella network. 0.4 clients were blocked because it was an old protocol on old clients that were bad for the health of ALL the network. Limewire's creation of Ultrapeers is a great step in solving bandwidth and scalability issues, and im glad they got it out as soon as they did. Bearshare is testing ultrapeers in their alpha releases right now, and Bearshare works with Limewire clients and will work with other clients once they implent Ultrapeers. I haven't yet seen one person bashing Bearshare and Limewire create a client close to their quality.
 
I have a couple of computers that my teenagers use and of course both are Gnutella users. Investigating a seriouse performance issue with one of the machines yesterday. ADAWARE tells me that CYDOOR is all over both of these machines. I used ADAWARE to remove this but it returned. The PC runs limewire and I believe from these forums that is where cydoor was picked up.

My question is what Gnutella client can I run on these PCs that will behave in a manner that does not include spy-ware or other unknown-ware on my PC? In the past I swapped from BearShare to LimeWire due to simular actions.

Thanks
 
don't confuse gnutella 0.6 connections (host connection, blocked) with HTTP 200 connections (get file, not blocked) just because you can't query a Bear, doesn't mean you cant query a bear by proxy. through morph, gnucleus, or any 0.6 client that doesn't block 0.4 connections

right now running xolox 1.12 i'm downloading from
BearShare 2.6.0 Server at 205.150.35.xxx Port 6346
so give it a rest.
 
Why do you wanna have everything explained? why don't you read existing sources? We explained it again and again, and we are tired of that.

But ok, i'll try to explain it -again- to you, if you read it without saying "wrong" because it's cool to say "wrong"; just sit back and relax........

There are - in my opinion - 3 or 4 problems with gnutella:

- as in many other threads mentioned, the "commercial ones":
(O) Building Spyware into clients isn't ok, there's the feature to don't install it, but: the normal user doesn't even know what spyware is!!
I have nothing against making money with a client, i hate that they make money with information of uninformed users, would you like to have your credit card number publicied without knowing that??

(O) The influence in the GDF, especially BS alias Vinnie: If you haven't realized it yet, Vinnie rules the GDF, everything that he says has to be done. If you keep to don't implement it, you're concidered as unhealthy for the net, without a technical reason (see Xolox, and later the rest of the 0.4 clients)

(O) Endless debates about small topics are slowing down developing

(O) The commercials only do what's best for THEM, not for the network, do you really think clustering clients as BS does is OK? The time that they prefer own clients has already come, a net split between them and the rest is needed!

(O) Changes are implemented before thinking about them, for example Ultrapeers

and much more...

What could be done? maybe there are some points:

- building up a small community of developers who decide equally which features are good and which not.

- dividing client developing and network developing a bit more: That would mean that in the end all clients speak the same language and are 100% compatible to each other.

- creating 2 nets: a huge User.net, the normal net...
and a small Developers.net, where developers can test out changes and new ideas

The GDC was - in my opinion - a step into the right Direction, but it seems that everyone has given up and left the whole gnutella devloping

To come to a conclusion, my opinion is, that all not-commercial developers should leave the GDF and meet at another place to discuss and decide equally (e.g. Polls) what to do.

Please, Seph, don't say "no" before thinking about these points.. otherwise the effect will be that you not encouraging new ideas,but destroying all.. Maybe this is also my last post, i've much to do for my last big tests in school.

as morgwen has in his signature:
patience is a virtue
thx morg*g*
 
The problem comes down to greed, without greed Gnutella would be great!

Who the hell wants to contribute source code and personal time to a network where Vinnie and LW make all the money from it? I DON'T!

We don't need BearShare's code to share, we don't need LimeWire's code to share, we have free open spam free code and should use it and ban the rest!
All the Vinnie problems would disappear in a minute as he tried to form his own private network, and LW would file chapt 7 the next day.
Everyone else would jump on the first open source client they could find, and a lot of people would start contributing to the source code base in short order.

Save Gnutella! Block them all! Block them now!

I have some really good ideas to improve the Gnutella Network in big ways but I won't write one line of code 'till BS and LW get off it. No free innovations for them!
Users now suffer because of corporate greed.
 
No, the commercial clients are the weak point. You have a company that can easily be sued out of existance because they are underfunded and would fold in a minute if they had to hire a real lawyer. Most would rather dissapear then fight with some real cash.

Open source, free to use clients are the way to go. Support them! Write some docs, suggest some features, convince others to run the clients instead of commercial ones, do some PR for them. Do whatever you can and you can help to save gnutella from the RIAA!

The RIAA knows greed, they know how to use it against companies and they know it won't take much to take out a big chunk of gnutella any time they want through the commercial clients.

If we are all using open source, free to use clients, gnutella can't be stopped or slowed down in any way. If someone does something to the network directly, we can respond quickly with a code fix and distribute that fix quickly, within hours. If the RIAA tries to use threats to ISP's, then we make some code changes quickly to prevent that.

There's no stopping open source clients!
 
BearShare does not block any host connections by user agent.

But, it does not support 0.4 connections, and it actively blocks hostile IP addresses.

Note that BearShare is not the only servent dropping support for 0.4 handshakes:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_gdf/message/8129
 
Now they want their thousands of dollars invested back, and they want you use YOU to get it back, plus a hefty profit.
All the while the open source people were working on the same things, for free, and have surpassed the pay for clients now. Where was all the support for them?
Because the pay for clients invested $$, they were ahead for a while and everyone supported them, but if the greedy *******s would have picked some other place to make their fortunes, the open source clients would have gotten more support and would be way further along.
You also missed out on some really cool features because the commercial interests won't program in things that don't jive with their ad revenue stream.

You are right though, don't bash them, just BLOCK them.
 
They're not making all these $$$. The cost of bandwith for operating the limewire hostcahe is a few thousand dollars alone. After factoring in all the costs, i seriously doubt the commercial companies are striking it rich. Blocking them might sound like an idea, but then u would be left with a network full of poorly developed clients and little content.
 
I asked moak to explain his post and his great ideal for gnutella which he spoke of. Which im still waiting...

Anyways your post is exactly what im talking about. You just posted bashed programs and the network today.. and on topics that dont concern you. Like "spyware" worry about your own box. Many people know about spyware but just dont care.

Now about your points..

What could be done? maybe there are some points:

- building up a small community of developers who decide equally which features are good and which not.

What about programs like xolox and others that dont or wont partcipate?? And how do you stop programs from implementing "bad" features on a open network? Also there is allready a community built but a small group of people here like yourself, moak and others seem content in splitting it up and tearing it apart.

- dividing client developing and network developing a bit more: That would mean that in the end all clients speak the same language and are 100% compatible to each other.

100% compatible is impossible. Your assuming that developers will agree with each other 100% of the time and that every developer will implement every proposal 100% of the time even though that may not be the direction they want to take their program. Over time if a program doesnt support major advances then they could get left behind because legacy versions cant be supported forever.

- creating 2 nets: a huge User.net, the normal net...
and a small Developers.net, where developers can test out changes and new ideas

Good idea but how will the developer net get enough users on it to sustain the net and be large enough to accurately portray the current network.. Its not that easy. There are projects like gnutella simulators which can accomplish this.

The GDC was - in my opinion - a step into the right Direction, but it seems that everyone has given up and left the whole gnutella devloping

Whats the GDC? If you mean the GDF then it think your wrong. Look at the second paragraph of the next question.

To come to a conclusion, my opinion is, that all not-commercial developers should leave the GDF and meet at another place to discuss and decide equally (e.g. Polls) what to do.

There is no reason to do that since the GDF is an open and free place for everyone started by gnutellahosts.com and a idea like that really goes against what the GDF is suppose to be. It allready is a neutral place if some programs dont partcipate then thats their decision they can live with it.

Polling to see what is done i dont think should be used on a regular basis because its slow, and because its an open network people wont change their mind because the poll says otherwise. Being an open network is really gnutella's greatest strength and greatest weakness..

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BearShare can be installed without additional bundled advertising products (called Adware).

Simply uncheck the boxes at the time of installation - anyone who tells you otherwise is probably named Morgwen.
 
Why don't you openp2p guys quit bothering us and spend more time working on your lame excuses for real gnutella clients
 
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