Gnutella has a problem

There is a new p2p client on the horizon if people want to check it out...its called Seeker, and they released their Alpha sometime this week i'm not sure...I think Seeker's main concern is tackling the scalibility concerns that Gnutella has

http://www.skyris.com/alpha.html

looks pretty solid but not many users yet i think
 
"I tried to put my work in the Gnutella project some time before Blubster, but it was a bit chaotic to get your ideas heard."
Says creator of Blubster on Zeropaid http://www.zeropaid.com/news/articles/auto/04222002a.php

"BearShare is awful, and I think that Vinnie guy should either play by the Gnutella rules or design his own network."
Says hackmaster himself Dr. Damn http://www.zeropaid.com/news/articles/auto/04212002a.php
 
Ahh - I can see the confusion.

This is an illusion caused by the large number of Morpheus users that migrated to Gnutella.

They don't "replace" other clients ultrapeers with their own, there's just a lot of them.
 
Well, that's where we disagree. IMO, it's everyone's right not to share if they don't want to (or can't for some reason). And I don't agree with treating these people any different on the network just because that's the choice they made.
 
They are connected directly to BearShare. You see, that is how file transfer takes place on Gnutella, peer to peer.

You're getting confused between host connections and file transfer connections. You can read up on the protocol here.

Regardless, the point here is that dr. damn has claimed that users with other clients are unable to access the files bearshare users are trying to share. This is obviously not true.
 
this is obviously not true!

If you can't find a non-bearshare client (by accident) which itself is connected to a Bearshare client (by accident again), you can not download any file from Bearshare clients! While bearshare clients cluster together, it is hard to find such a relayed connection to a Bearshare client. When running statistics, you'll see Bearshare does play a minor role and will advantage itself.

Please stop flooding with wrong information.
 
Oh come now Sephiroth, Moak et al are doing exactly what you suggest, venting their furstrations and trying to best articulate their beliefs about problems in the Gnutella network. Of course if those problems are real, then Gnutella must have got worse since Bearshare and LW grew into the huge clients they are toda, so the "new lows" statement is quite justified.


They already have, and you have already replied with your opinion of their views, so let's leave it at that.
 
Sephiroth...

Nosferatu is right you are flooding... you repeat over and over again the same! You called others trolls too, you are whining EVERY time when somebody DON
 
Morg,
You'll notice Moak has done the same thing. I don't know how many threads he's started or taken onto his anti-bearshare/limewire soapbox. We've all read it and at this point it's just trolling.
 
Gnutella does have a problem and that problem is the fighting between fans of each client. When we fight with each other we are just helping out the RIAA and their goon's.

The absolutly worst thing that could happen to the network would be if the different clients started blocking each other. This would result in little sub-networks forming (i.e. a BS network, a LW network, a gnucleus network, etc.). These sub-networks would be easy for the RIAA with all its resources to attack. Right now the only reason that Gnutella is immune to attack is the networks size. In order to attack you would need to be able to map and monitor the network. This is impossilbe at present but if the network sub-divides into factions then it becomes possible.

Keep the network sharing and keep the network strong. BS/LW are commercial ventures that require a strong network in order to be succesful. It is in their best interset to keep the network strong and out of reach of the RIAA. The other clients benefit from the added contributions of BS/LW.

There are things that we don't like about what certain developers are doing BUT we all have the option of using a different client. As long as those developers are allowing their clients to share with the rest of the network on the most current protocol (I know this will hurt those using older clients but protocol's do change and it is not resonable to expect developers to make all the clients backwards compatable, though this does improve an individual clients ability to find rare files) then they have the right to develop their clients any way they see fit. A client that prefers itself to other connections is not seperated from the network (it still will connect outside of its own kind) and its files are still accessable to others on the network.

Viva Gnutella
 
http://www.gnutellaforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=9888
http://www.gnutellaforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=9434
http://www.gnutellaforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=5534
http://www.gnutellaforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=5442
http://opensourcep2p.sourceforge.net/
 
I didnt ask for a list of links to be given the run around.
I think its really a very simple request that isnt inappropiate to ask someone who is going at the lengths that moak is by posting threads like this and etc.

What is their purpose and what exact their "great" vision of gnutella is.. I think that if a persin really had one and trule believed in it that they would remember and would be able to explaining it to people should be a very easy thing to do. As well as going into detail how the network has gotten worst.
 
So far, none or few of the Ultrapeer election/promotion (?) schemes that i've had described to me account for the large number of ultrapeers already on the gnutella network.

Correct me if i'm wrong but, if there were already a large number of (morpheus) ultrapeers on the gnutella network, ... wouldn't that decrease the number of clients that will become ultrapeers? I was under the impression that all clients should prefer being a "leaf", unless they encounter very few Ultrapeers.
 
no more word to it. it showed me banners, it is - crap. it found 16 users, no files for 10 searches, the design is crappy. I don't know if it has a future, but it has to change for 180 degrees.
 
Hey Moak,

I know you put a lot of effort in here and I can understand you completely. But to be honet: I think this is just how business works. LW and BS as the strongest providers for clients stake of their claims and maximize their business.

I completely agrre with your post, but I think there is nothing you/we can do about it. I mean all you can do is to appeal to BS/LW to change back but that is all we have.... and thsat is not much compared to business.

Felix
 
It is understanding that the issue with Morpheus resides within the default configuration as it is installed resulting in folks becoming uptrapeers that either do not have the resources or the configuration is improper in some way -- resulting in the net being flooded with these improperly performing Uptrapeers.
 
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