Gnutella has a problem

Xolox 1.12 users can download from BearShare without any problem. Bearshare is only blocking any incoming connection attempts for gnutella connections not for file transfer connections.
 
Saeger wrote on Zeropaid:

"I remember it was only a year ago when Vinnie was absolutely EMPHATIC that he would NEVER charge for BearShare (in any form) - the company is even named FreePeers, Inc. [...] I would link to the relevant bearshare.net posts, but they were all conveniently wiped out in a mysterious screwup a while ago."

http://www.zeropaid.com/news/articles/auto/05082002e.php
 
"LimeWire, Gnucleus, and others treat all nodes on the Gnutella network equally. BearShare does not. Please don't use BearShare, as it only works properly with other BearShare clients and leaves users with other clients unable to access the files you are trying to share. Here's a simple rhyme to help everyone remember:

Be nice and play fair. Uninstall BearShare."

--\dr. damn/--
Found at http://cleanclients.edot.ch/bearshare.html
 
The only thing i can answer to all the troll posts on the forum is: goodbye gnutella, i'll come back when the situation has changed (too sad that it'll not change until Bearshare&Limewire are completely separated and don't pretend using the gnutella network)
 
someone said: "Gnutella to new lows."

On the contrary, gnutella (technically) has never been better.

The people that are most vocal about their anti-gnutella views just don't like the spyware and politics of the big commercial client developers.

"Get over it, this is just how things work". If you guys don't like the commercial aspects of gnutella, then help develop that openp2p protocol where you can block/control what clients use it.
 
Hmm...

personal attacks? I tried to post on bearshare.net a few times after the kick Morgwen poll - what do you think how the people discussed with me? They insulted me too!!! What do you think what I have done? I ingnored it or replied ironic, but I never whined that they attacked me!!!

And what you are calling attacks and flames are normally ONLY unfriendly replies - if you want to see REAL flames go to bearshare.net! Yes they called me a NAZI only because I live in Germany!!!

If you feel insulted ignore it and reply to the topic, but STOP whining with every second word about it!!!

And please STOP to claim that Moak or me hide behind every corner, not every anti-bearshare post is from us!

Morgwen
 
Tor,

if you need more infos about vinnies plans:

http://www.gnutellaforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=8470

Perhaps you want to write a post about this in the GDF? I never posted there and I am not going to start it now...

Morgwen
 
[WARNING: TANGENTIAL, INCOHERENT RANTING AHEAD]

Well, I think that Gnutella is carpy without ultrapeers. You should check out Direct Connect; the admins exort evil, czar-like power over the users (I was banned from my favorite hub recently because I accidentally shared an exe file), but the restrictions keep the hub free of leechers and generally make everyone happy. Wouldn't it be nice if you could actually find the rare file you were looking for on Gnutella? Well, if there was a 5GB minimum share to access the network, I'll bet you could.

LimeWire is an excellent step in the direction of DC, with its freeloader blocking and ultrapeers; I run FreeWire myself. BearShare, however, is corroding the Gnutella network; because of the BearShare black hole, the only way you can get into its part of the network is to have a seperate cache for BearShare and all other clients. No client I know does this.

A perfect Gnutella network would have everyone using minimum shares except for the people who are OK with the idea of freeloaders sucking their bandwidth. Ultrapeers would be the norm, but there would also be connections to other clients in case an important ultrapeer shut down. Oh, and clients would be able to discriminate on the basis of filenames shared (e.g., .vbs files would get you kicked from the network), there would be a common chatroom that echoed across the network, and BearShare-like black holes would be nonexistent.

Dream on, Ashi.
 
Read post above: without other clients, Xolox 1.12 users can not download from Bearshare.

Q: How do you download from a client if you can't search for files and can't see search results (Queryhits)?
A: You can't! Other clients grant access to the Bearshare network, Bearshare alone would 100% block it! Understand how Gnutella works and you understand you can't download without connecting to other clients and without the possibility to search for files.

Conclusion: Bearshare is not fair, blocks and disadvantages clients, is splitting the network.
 
Ok "unregistered" or moak. You still havent answered my post which i asked how is gnutella at a "new low" as you put it. Considering that you havent and that your once again posting more baseless accusations,and finger pointing.

So lets try this again. Post whats so bad with gnutella and feel free to use some examples and data to support your claims. Otherwise to me it seems that your just throwing up the accusations because you really cant explain how gnutella is so bad..
 
let me repeat this for the zillionth time, YES IT IS!
I don't want to contribute to the spam/spyware companies in any way! I don't want to be part of their support network.
When you connect to me using BearShare you are using my CPU to help support BearShare spyware.
Get that crap off Gnutella!
The only way to do it is to block them all!
Block, block, block!
 
and? BearShare only works properly with other BearShare clients, it disadvantages other clients and does not allow all clients to connect to it. the shown Xolox downloads (old xolox version) are only because they are connected through non-Bearshare clients! BearShare alone wold block them. Mrgone, also you know it... nice hipocrisy from you again.

did you see the 'share files' checkbox? what an unhealthy freeloading feature!
 
I'd just like to disagree with you on a couple points.

There isn't so much of a Bearshare black hole as there is a LimeWire black hole. Bearshare, as I have heard, still connects to other clients even though it does prefer other Bearshare clients. LimeWire on the other hand, doesn't seem to connect to many other clients at all unless you're an ultrapeer.

With a perfect Gnutella network, there would be no talk of blocking freeloaders and nobody would be required to share anything. I don't believe in shutting out freeloaders. They're just as much a part of the network as anyone else. Everyone's gotta start building their library somewhere.

Also in a perfect Gnutella network, there would be ONE client encompassing ALL great features from ALL clients, communication on the network would use a LOT less bandwidth, and firewalls would accept and pass Gnutella traffic by default.
 
Everyone is talking about the good and bad features of Bearshare and LimeWire and how they affect the Gnutella network.

But, right now there is a new threat being posed to the health of Gnutella....... MorpheusOS! It is already affecting downloads from other clients because it quickly replaces other client ultrapeers with its own.
 
I've heard the exact opposite. But, then again, we don't have the BearShare source code, so we can't compare the two.



In my humble opinion, freeloaders are mainly people who don't WANT to share their files. If you really don't have enough for a minimum share, just grab some files off of Gutenberg. I think it's greed that's the problem, not lack of files. And if you don't share your files, you're just using up bandwidth.



Amen to that.
 
My last post was only about the topic and you haven't answered to any of the points



Let me repeat it: you also haven't answered to it. You only whined about the next post




Simple idea: talk only about the topic, don't flood and don't think everyone wants to attack you. Different people have different opinions. I hope that's ok for you.


By the way, Sephiroth, Moak told me i should tell you something:

- detailed information about it is there: http://www.gnutellaforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=9888
- "nice greetings from Moak, he did explain enough and also doesn't talk with trolls."


P.S. Please answer my post where i described everything in detail, and don't whine any more...
 
Vinnie seems to have developed a kind of private authentication handshake, so it'd be impossible for companies like mediaenforcer or rangerinc to track its user's files.

One of the few ways of granting the users a little security is a proprietary feature.
 
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