GFT also having issues w/ Paypal

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chrisbeebops said:
If someone donates with a stolen PayPal account or credit card, PayPal will screw the tracker even harder.
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That makes no f... sense, there is no way the tracker can control if the account is stolen or not. Paypal should go against the perpetrator, and not against the tracker. Its like thieves going to rob a bank and the police would detain the bank workers and not the thieves.
 
Serb is a baller,he'd probably bail em if they hadn't kicked him out.

There are plenty of alternatives to paypal though I think the best one is where they don't require people to register so as to transact.All you need is your credit card and the money goes directly to the tracker's bank account,risky but works.

http://payments.intuit.com/
 
McArty said:
That makes no f... sense, there is no way the tracker can control if the account is stolen or not. Paypal should go against the perpetrator, and not against the tracker. Its like thieves going to rob a bank and the police would detain the bank workers and not the thieves.
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PayPal doesn't need a valid reason. They just freeze the account and put it under "investigation" and you can't move money in or out for months...
 
Might as well just copy and paste the FTN R.I.P thread in here and change a few of the names about... will save all the usual bullshit from flying around
 
I think if the torrent site does it through a third party site that looks legit, and is totally unrelated (like a 'donation site' for something else or some sort of legit looking online ebook store or something) then there's a lot of protection against this.

Because the user can't prove that it's linked to the torrent site they're complaining about and there's no proof that paypal can find of it either.

Demonoid do this (did? can't see donate button anymore), and definitely others, can't remember which ones though.
 
eram said:
so why are they asking to donate more to paypal but have issues with it?
please explain.
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It is a new paypal account.

Trackers get screwed by PayPal all the time, even if it doesn't make the announcements. PayPal can just arbitrarily freeze an account without much explanation and hold your money for several months. Trackers are pretty stuck because they can't just come out and say hey these are donations for my bittorrent tracker, give it back.

Theres lots of different ways trackers can get fucked over by PayPal. Some people will donate (for invites or otherwise) and later get banned for trading or cheating, so they'll file a bullshit dispute with PayPal. Trackers can just refund the money, but after a certain arbitrary threshold of disputes, PayPal will freeze the account.

If someone donates with a stolen PayPal account or credit card, PayPal will screw the tracker even harder. And yes, traders and sellers can and do sink this low. And people wonder why trackers are so hard against traders and sellers........ :/
 
tippertime said:
has paypal always been doing this? seems like I have only been hearing about them doing this as of lately?
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From what I understand they don't necessarily target torrent sites directly, although they don't particularly want to be associated with them either. The main reason trackers have been coming to the fore and being targeted recently, and someone correct me if I'm wrong, is due to the high number of disputes put into paypal linked with the accounts used by the trackers.

A lot of these disputes, although not entirely limited to, come from traders donating to get invites, getting the invites then 'claiming' their money back from paypal...

I know this is gonna open up a huge can of worms again... "Traders are scum of the earth" Vs "Trackers shouldn't offer invites for donations"... but who cares...

As far as I understand it, that's what the recent problems have been caused by...
 
Burnsy is correct with his comment.
Alot of it is traders/sellers who get caught after donations for an invite.
After you get too many disputes within a short period of time the account gets flagged and paypal tries to investigate why there are so many disputes going on.
Also from what I have been told there's alot of users from countries that are not supported in paypal using paypal to make donations. When they are found to be using paypal from these countries Paypal has been investigating where they are sending the money to as well.
 
McArty said:
That makes no f... sense, there is no way the tracker can control if the account is stolen or not. Paypal should go against the perpetrator, and not against the tracker. Its like thieves going to rob a bank and the police would detain the bank workers and not the thieves.
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Easily the worst heist artist on these boards.

I'll use the same analogy, except, I'll change it around a bit. It's like a bunch of thieves that go rob a bank (in this case a paypal account), then move/store all the money in another bank account (which by sane assumptions has to be theirs').

If money is stolen and put it into another account, the second account has to be frozen, as it could be a simple account to collect the stolen money.

Paypal has no option but to freeze the account the money is sent to, regardless of any good reputation.
 
Burnsy said:
From what I understand they don't necessarily target torrent sites directly, although they don't particularly want to be associated with them either. The main reason trackers have been coming to the fore and being targeted recently, and someone correct me if I'm wrong, is due to the high number of disputes put into paypal linked with the accounts used by the trackers.

A lot of these disputes, although not entirely limited to, come from traders donating to get invites, getting the invites then 'claiming' their money back from paypal...

I know this is gonna open up a huge can of worms again... "Traders are scum of the earth" Vs "Trackers shouldn't offer invites for donations"... but who cares...

As far as I understand it, that's what the recent problems have been caused by...
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You're correct, GFT news says that the high amount of disputes could possibly caused this.

Edit: ftn had also lot of disputes by traders?
 
ringhunter said:
Easily the worst heist artist on these boards.

I'll use the same analogy, except, I'll change it around a bit. It's like a bunch of thieves that go rob a bank (in this case a paypal account), then move/store all the money in another bank account (which by sane assumptions has to be theirs').

If money is stolen and put it into another account, the second account has to be frozen, as it could be a simple account to collect the stolen money.

Paypal has no option but to freeze the account the money is sent to, regardless of any good reputation.
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So, if i steal a paypal account and send the money to you (your paypal account), they would freeze your account? There is no logic in that. Maybe reverse the fake transaction, and go against me if they can find me...
 
So I'm wondering if the disputes are related to the donation percentage getting frozen in the 90-ish range over the past couple months, or maybe they're just sandbagging for more donations...
I'm sure they have more money than they claim.
 
chrisbeebops said:
and later get banned for trading or cheating, so they'll file a bullshit dispute with PayPal.
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So, i just don`t understand. What the banned users are going to pursue from the tracker? It`s been their fault. So, their money are gone and that is all. What is the problem? And why trackers must use paypal? Is there any other solution? :ermm:
 
They have to freeze my account if you did so. Tell me this: You just hacked a bank account, where would you route the wire transfer to?

Honestly, it's not a hard concept to understand. They will freeze my account because, simply, they have no idea if (in this case) my account is an accomplice or not.
 
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