Gangster Rap

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Yeah me, too, I'm fine with it in that respect, too. I'm not fine with it, if they're just glamorizing it and singing about it to look cool.



And FYI yes some men think abusing women is cool. We live in a pretty ****ed up world.
 
So you may or may not have noticed the argument that brewed in the "Punk is Sh*t" thread over gangster rap and the violence and such that it inspires. Some people feel it is close-minded to dismiss the genre while others disagree with its message. Other people see it as a necessary form of speech to speak out against things such as police brutality. What do you all think of the issue? Is it right for people to dismiss it or do these people need to just relax?
 
Well, I generally believe that art reflects reality, and so I don't feel that Gangsta rap actually inspires violence or gang culture. Apart from the odd idiot who was always going to be a **** up, people can generally appreciate music and not its message.

There are plenty of great artists in gangsta rap, and lyrically it does provide an outlet for social commentary and the odd uplifting message.
But having said that, the glorified violence, misogyny and inflated egos that are almost ubiquitous in the genre really do put me off a lot of the time, just because I can't take it seriously and they come off as idiots.
 
Dac neeRAB some Nas and MF Doom if he's gonna complain about figurative language.

And I recall someone on the forum (no names, he's mah dawg) saying they didn't respect South Park Mexican because he molested little girls. But he said he still liked his music. And I chuckled.

Gangster rap is fine to me. I haven't come across any song about rape or violently killing someone so far. Maybe "I shot the little suckah" comes in every now and then, but rape? Not happenin.
 
When we were discussing it earlier I don't think we were referring to rape directly but more the way they refer to women in a way that could provoke derogatory actions. (i.e. that women are just "bitches" and "hoes". A hoe implies that she is someone you can take advantage of sexually. etc.)

Anyway, gangster rap just doesn't do it for me. I just don't think it's a very creative genre.
 
"If a kid goes around and shoots and whole lotta people in his high school, and is wearing a Marilyn Manson shirt, it doesn't mean Marilyn Manson made him do it, it just means he likes Marilyn Manson."

In my studies I have found that there is not much correlation at all between violent music and violent behaviour. So I can't really say that I dislike gangster rap because it encourages violence. I mean, how many of us play relatively violent video games? I highly doubt we've been inspired to go shoot or bash people up. (Or have we...)

That being said however, I don't like the genre for many other reasons, including several attitudes it endorses... like attitudes towarRAB women for example. Not to mention that I also don't find the genre very talented or captivating. But that's just personal opinion.
 
This whole offensive to women thing in hip hop has always made me laugh.

It's like some rapper can say he wants to kill some guy , then call a woman a bitch , and yet it's the woman he's being hateful towarRAB :laughing:
 
This isn't a gangster rap example but stuff like this:

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I know I always see images like this in rap videos and such, through the way they dance and move around with the women in the clip... etc. I can't be bothered searching through YouTube for one.
 
Thanks.
Coheed can make rape and brutal killing melodic and interesting, and afte rlistening to them I'm not going to go rape someone, so what's the harm?
 
Well I used to listen to Coheed back in like 9th grade before I had a brain so I'll have to revisit them to see what you're talking about, but the thing is, they do it in a way that doesn't promote it, it doesn't glorify it. I'd be willing to bet that they use a lot of i figuratively also, whereas rap is quite literal with its meanings. I'll get back to you on the Coheed situation though.
 
Why is it wrong?

If anything should use sex to sell don't you think it should be a sex product.

It's a bit of fun aimed at men to get them to buy a product that stops women having unwanted pregnancies. And if someone considers that offensive to women I suggest they go out in the real world.
 
It would make a difference, I assume, because we wouldn't get it. In fact, if it were a picture of a man's tired tongue, I am sure we would find it much more obscene than funny. Sorry, not WE, because I'm sure we'd all laugh, but it would never be posted in billboarRAB.
 
Yeah but the killing is always portrayed as glamourous, and if you get shot you're a noble gangster with a flashy memorial shrine of gangsters or whatever. But the women are never really shown in any positive sense. Plus the representation of women is more serious because rape/sexual abuse/ sexual assault/ gender discrimination is more prevalent in society than gangsters killing each other. But I'll shut up I don't want to get into this whole gender thing again, ha.
 
I'm sorry, but if somebody was singing passionately about rape or child molestation and glorifying the act I would have no respect for them or their music. And thus would not enjoy the music, at all. A lot of music to me is about meaning, and regardless of their musical talent I could not get into music thats meaning was rape or pedophilia.
 
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