Founder of Oink music piracy site 'had $300,000 in bank'

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☮Alyssa☮

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First off, I am vehemently against making money off piracy. I'm sorry, but don't try and justify it. For most tracker owners it is NOT a 24/7 job, far from it, once it's set up and running.

Profiting from site donations is the no. 1 thing which can corrupt the owner of a large tracker - and the no. 1 hardest thing to truly assure ones innocence in and gain trust with - just "saying" you're legit and having a squeaky clean reputation in everything else, is not enough to prove it. There are ways to do this though, and one way is to have one or two 100% trusted staffers with full access to the paypal account to see that nothing is taken out for personal use, and they can be witness of the proper use of donation money.
 
Basically who cares. Oink was the best music tracker ever and if the guy made money from it good for him, I am glad that he did.
He never begged for donations (annoying pms in your inbox every fuckin day), he never forced someone to donate to dl new releases (lame waiting times and whatnot), oh yea and he didn't give VIP status to all and every cunt that would donate 5$ lol.
So yea good for him. I wouldn't mind donating w/e i can spare every month to a tracker like that and i really hope his trial and everything ends in his favor so that he can go and spend it all at the Bahamas surrounded by hot girls feeding him grapes.
 
I personally don't care if he made money, but one thing I do know is that not once during my membership there was I nor anyone I know even hinted that we should donate. So unlike those sites asking for donation, every donation was voluntary on OiNK.
 
dvdasacd said:
First off, I am vehemently against making money off piracy. I'm sorry, but don't try and justify it. For most tracker owners it is NOT a 24/7 job, far from it, once it's set up and running.
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I respect your opinion but I would never take the risk for nothing... you neither, am I right? :ermm:

anyway, I'm quite sure they do get money from it whenever they can hehe :P

I have no profs about that but I've only seen (that I remeber) one tracker (and one time only) leaving a note at the home page saying something like: "hey guys, thanks for the donations, we got what we needed to do what we promissed; you don't need to donate anymore for now". And that doesn't mean they just got what they needed and nothing more :unsure:
 
Well, I don't really care about how much they have on their bank accounts... I'm sure the guys from bitmeTV (just an example) have to "invest" a lot of time on their trackers to keep things running the way it runs... some of them probably see this as a real job opportunity and so what?

The question is: who wants to do all that and take all the risk for free? :unsure:

Sorry to say that but if you ever thought they do this just because they like it, welcome to real life! :)

If someone donates to a tracker, he does it because he is convinced that it is worth the donation...

now, if they lie about their needs, that's another question... :P
 
TL just be LOVINGGG IT.
they have somany regular donaters because of there free2leech vip system and 180k users.

he may have had 300k but its probably going to jail now.
 
Roark said:
That's sort of the point, right - Oink was lying about his needs by taking donations every month.
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No he wasn't. Donations aren't the same thing as a membership fee.

When you run a site, which is a 24/7 job, and you put your ass on the line for the authorities (especially on a huge site like Oink), then I think you deserve some sort of compensation (though 300K is pretty crazy lol).

As for sites that don't need it, I've personally worked on a site that was hundreds of dollars in debt and came close to shutting down. Most smaller sites run a deficit each month, it's the large sites with tens or hundreds of thousands of members that have enough potential donors to get by easily.

Of course there's the other side of the argument where a site begs its members for donations and then the owner spends the money on an engagement ring. Or shuts down the site a few days later. Good times ;)
 
I love how people say hes wrong for making money off it. BUt your not the one going to prison are you?

And this article is BS I had given plenty of invites on oink and never once had to donate to get them.
 
whiteboy said:
I love how people say hes wrong for making money off it. BUt your not the one going to prison are you?
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lol that makes no sense at all. how does being caught have *anything* to do with the issue of making money off a site? :S The issue is not whether he IS making money or not (we now know that is in doubt), but the general principle of doing it. :rolleyes:
 
I don't believe it at all. The press and prosecution have been twisting the facts since day one - why do you believe anything from the people who say that members HAD to pay 5 euros to invite a friend?

I, for one, know how much money a site like the size of OiNK brings in, and I know how much one costs. I can tell you - even for a huge site with thousands of donors, it is very difficult to earn operating costs if you don't offer pay-to-leech. OiNK had enormous operating costs - I suspect on the level of 3-4,000 euros per month. I've always been amazed that they were even able to break even.

I think the prosecution is twisting facts here - I'd bet money that the actual number is $300,000 spent over the course of the entire site's existence. This is not a highly unreasonable amount - with four high-powered servers in a leaseweb reseller, as well as peripheral costs such as proxies, over the course of three years, it sounds about as much as he'd take in and spend to me.
 
Interesting thoughts, whatman. I wonder if the truth can ever be known to us, then. Perhaps not...I wish we did.
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I respect your opinion but I would never take the risk for nothing... you neither, am I right? :ermm:
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No. How does making money make it "all ok"? Certainly not for me. But enabling people to share music with each other? Heck yeah. And that combined with taking steps to give myself a certain amount of security that I deem adequate, makes it a worthwhile endeavour for me.
 
xa1ups said:
Basically who cares. Oink was the best music tracker ever and if the guy made money from it good for him, I am glad that he did.
He never begged for donations (annoying pms in your inbox every fuckin day), he never forced someone to donate to dl new releases (lame waiting times and whatnot), oh yea and he didn't give VIP status to all and every cunt that would donate 5$ lol.
So yea good for him. I wouldn't mind donating w/e i can spare every month to a tracker like that and i really hope his trial and everything ends in his favor so that he can go and spend it all at the Bahamas surrounded by hot girls feeding him grapes.
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EXACTLY who gives a shit, its not like they held a gun against your head to donate, end of the day at it times it was the best tracker about.

p.s this thread is pointless bullshit.
 
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