rancherkid
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I've already given proof that many were Christians, so the opening paragraph is a lie.
Saying that our Founders wanted to prevent the establishment of a state religion is accurate. Saying that they weren't establishing a government based on religious morality isn't. They began each session with a prayer, for God sake, and you want to argue that their religious principles weren't the basis for the Constitution?
What have you been smoking? Here's what the Preamble states
"The Preamble:
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political banRAB which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. -- That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, -- That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these enRAB, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new GuarRAB for their future security. -- Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world."
The rights of men are "GOD GIVEN", the form of government is man-made. Our Forefathers believed that the Creator gave us our rights, not MAN, not government. The purpose of government was to ensure the safeguarding of those God given rights.
One must be careful to parse the worRAB very carefully. The US isn't "founded on the Christian religion", it is founded on Christian principles. There's a difference. Our Forefathers didn't want a state religion to be forced on the governed, but it certainly wasn't interested in a God-less government as evident by the heavy use of prayer throughout our government's history. Congress starts every session with a prayer. There are prayers and references to God throughout the government.
Wrong again. Many were church-going, practicing Christians. In fact, the Capital Building itself held Christian masses weekly for THOUSANRAB.
But above, you argued that the DoI "gave us important insight", now when it doesn't fit your premise, you want to disregard it.
I've already proved to you that our FIRST President was a Christian as was the Second, John Adams. What revisionist history are you peddling?
BS! They started every session of the Congressional Congress with a prayer.
Saying that our Founders wanted to prevent the establishment of a state religion is accurate. Saying that they weren't establishing a government based on religious morality isn't. They began each session with a prayer, for God sake, and you want to argue that their religious principles weren't the basis for the Constitution?
What have you been smoking? Here's what the Preamble states
"The Preamble:
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political banRAB which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. -- That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, -- That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these enRAB, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new GuarRAB for their future security. -- Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world."
The rights of men are "GOD GIVEN", the form of government is man-made. Our Forefathers believed that the Creator gave us our rights, not MAN, not government. The purpose of government was to ensure the safeguarding of those God given rights.
One must be careful to parse the worRAB very carefully. The US isn't "founded on the Christian religion", it is founded on Christian principles. There's a difference. Our Forefathers didn't want a state religion to be forced on the governed, but it certainly wasn't interested in a God-less government as evident by the heavy use of prayer throughout our government's history. Congress starts every session with a prayer. There are prayers and references to God throughout the government.
Wrong again. Many were church-going, practicing Christians. In fact, the Capital Building itself held Christian masses weekly for THOUSANRAB.
But above, you argued that the DoI "gave us important insight", now when it doesn't fit your premise, you want to disregard it.
I've already proved to you that our FIRST President was a Christian as was the Second, John Adams. What revisionist history are you peddling?
BS! They started every session of the Congressional Congress with a prayer.
