For me, this is a new "Gout" food I shouldn't be eating anyway!

sf wrote:


The U.S. pays more for healthcare than essentially any other country.
This includes paying more for medications (both higher prices for
the same medications, and paying for more expensive medications
that other places in the world deem unnecessisary). It also includes
paying way more for research than is necessary. Big pharma more than pays
its gignormous research bills with money from the public (much of which
comes from taxpayers).

It is not true that other countries need higher taxes to pay their
healthcare costs. The problem in the U.S. is on the spending side --
our healthcare systems burns through too much money due to corruption,
mismanagement, and waste. The U.S. expends 17% of its economy
on healthcare, and 55% of that is government-funded. More reasonable
countries expend 7% to 10% on healthcare.



Steve
 
On 3/28/2011 12:19 AM, Steve Pope wrote:

I spoke with a few different local pharmacies this evening after reading
your post. Seems there is (has been) a change when it comes to
'colchicine' -- however, it's not as drastic as it first seemed. Since
there is a good supply of the (former) "generic" colchicine still
available on the market (read supply on hand?), it has to be exhausted
first before the "new" (cough, cough) version can be supplied at new
prices (??) that are much higher! That's the gist I understood by
speaking with one pharmacist.

Colchicine has been around for a long, long time to treat gout, but
since it hasn't been studied enough (.... and approved by the FDA!!!!)
- or something like that (so I understand???) -- the pharmaceutical
companies (????) have twisted the FDA to allow them to now charge
premium prices (???) think of Viagra!!!!! How true this is, I'm not
sure - but it seems a whole bunch of malarkey to me since some
company(s) can make big time bucks! "Me" smells something nasty!

Sky, who's rather outraged

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Ultimate Kitchen Rule -- Cook's Choice!!
 
On 2011-03-27, Mark Thorson wrote:


I stand corrected and you have my deepest apology/sympathy. I'll back up a
few and state, if you've had more than one episode, your doctor sucks.
That or you completely ignored basic gout advice.


I lived on my couch for a week. I'm more than familiar with
the act of "crawling". After an unnecessary spinal tap by an idiot doc
and changing health plans, I got competent care.

I hope you are on allipurinol and have no more problems. I've not had
an attack for almost 15 yrs and eat/drink EVERYTHING! ...although I keep
my exposure to anchovies down to no more than once per yr. ;)

nb
 
sf wrote:



In some cases, yes one takes a colchicine pill every day, in fact
they have combination pills with colchicine and other gout medicines,
intended for long-term use.

But in most cases, one does not take it long term -- usually it's several
pills a day for just several days during a gout episode; or one pill a day
for a few weeks (when starting/stopping other meds, or prophylactically when
traveling or otherwise stressing your gout).

The fact that one might not need an entire bottle of 100 is no
excuse for them making it that expensive.


Steve
 
Ridiculouse.... taking 12 pills per day, as I unknowingly did,
till I dicovered a Doc that represcribed the same or similar pills,
to a one a day...

Simvastatin, Lisinopril, Allopurinal....with food a suppertime.
Tamsuosin, 1/2 hour after food intake, at regular bedtine hour.


On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 17:21:46 -0400, Landon wrote:
 
Sky wrote:


Yeah, the HMO's saw the price increase coming and laid up a supply
of it. I'm not sure whether they're passing the savings along
to their members. Maybe the larger pharmacy chains did the same.

Steve
 
Landon wrote:

Meat and cheese in excess can both cause gout.
Add eggs, and the list is nearly complete.

Note that a recurrence of gout while recovering
from an attack is often worse than the original
attack. I'd say you should be symptom-free for
2 or 3 days before resuming eating meat.
 
Landon wrote:

lots


Angels are notorious for demanding attention!!!

You should see my Kitchen Angel Kate.

I'm always surrounded every time I walk in!!!

Once in a while she'll settle down on my shoulder, only to bicker that I
left this out or didn't add enough of that!

Kitchen Angels! You've been warned. :)))

Andy
 
When starting on new medication, one needs to give it time to work.
It's not like taking a pain killer.....which could conflict.

As of this date, and for quite some time (at this ripe age of 88),
I am able to eat everything, including ham, and the kitchen sink,
without reservation, as the 'ole saying goes.... As long I continue
with my earlier post of prescription pill intake.

On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 22:50:39 +0000 (UTC), [email protected]
(Steve Pope) wrote:
 
On 2011-03-27, Mark Thorson wrote:


Colchicine got me a spinal tap by an inexperienced doc. Bad for long
term use (more than a wk) but good to knock down a servere attack in
the short term.

nb
 
On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 06:34:19 +0000 (UTC), [email protected]
(Steve Pope) wrote:


A few years ago, I saw an interview with a retired executive from one
of the largest pharmaceutical companies on TV. When asked "Why do
companies like yours charge so much for pills that are made at a
fraction of the cost and where all of the discovery costs have already
been recouped?"

His answer was as honest as can be:

"They charge whatever the traffic will bear"

When this marketing principle is used to sell shirts, I couldn't care
less. However, when it's used for life saving drugs, it really pisses
me off.
 
On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 14:45:32 -0700, sf wrote:


I hear you sf. I'm thankful to be alive. Events and people have tried
to prevent it many times in my life and somehow, I made it through it
all in one piece....sort of.

Right now, it hardly even hurts. If I bent it very far, I guess it
would, but I'm not trying that theory. I'll see if it starts screaming
again in the morning.
 
On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 20:14:36 -0400, Leon Manfredi
wrote:


I wish. The pills were slowly added over several years to keep my body
from killing me. Each are necessary. I take six in the morning and six
at night, but 3 of the night time meds are duplicates of morning meds.
I have to take them twice a day to keep the levels up in by system.

Its cool though. I asked the Doc how long I might live if the meds
continue to control things as they are now and he said I should be
able to see 85 or so. Heck, that's good with me! By then, they'll have
found other ways to extend it so I can see the 100 I want to. :)
 
notbob wrote:

On the contrary, I've had several. During the two
worst ones, I couldn't stand much less walk.
Crawling into the kitchen to get food was extremely
painful. Just existing was painful. I remember
thinking that if I had to feel this much pain for
the rest of my life, I'd rather die.


It sounds like you aggravated the condition by working
the afflicted joint. That's what made my worst attacks
so bad. A moderate attack can become a major attack by
doing that. What did it for me was driving my stick-shift
car. Re-injuring a joint during recovery makes recovery
much longer.
 
On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 20:24:20 -0400, Leon Manfredi
wrote:


Man Leon, I can't get rid of this guy! He's the best Doc I've ever
had, and that includes the Mayo Clinic.

The pain is a result of my resistance to taking pain meds. I simply
prefer the pain to being doped up like a zombie.

If it still hurts tomorrow morning like it did the last two mornings,
I'll give him a call and see what he wants to do about it.

I just took a nice hour long nap and when I awoke and stood, it didn't
hurt any more than it did before napping. That's a real improvement.
Yesterday, after only 5 minutes of being off of it, it hurt like
blazes to stand on it again.
 
On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 22:55:37 +0000 (UTC), [email protected]
(Steve Pope) wrote:


Thanks so much, Steve! I took 600mg of Ibuprofen this morning and it
took the edge off the pain. Its that first 50 feet of walking on it in
the morning that makes me nuts. The first ten feet made me invent some
new cuss words and they were doosies. I'll have to repaint the nearest
walls. Ha!
 
Roy wrote:

Der Captain in the Katzenjammer Kids strip also had gout.
He was usually depicted in a wheelchair or with a crutch,
while having a foot and ankle in a cast.
 
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