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Janet Wilder wrote:
Well, first of all, you should check your itinerary. Moscow is not
really on the Volga River, although you can eventually get from Moscow
to the Volga through a long chain of rivers and canals.
But St. Petersburg is nowhere near Volga. In fact, it is in the
opposite direction from Moscow. Volga is way to the east of Moscow,
while St. Petersburg is to the north-east.
?A river boat trip from Moscow to St. Petersburg on the Volga River?
is like ?a river boat trip from New York to St. Boston on the
Mississippi River.? Make sure that you DO get to see the beautiful
city of St. Petersburg, especially in early summer.
But if you do come to the southern part of the Volga River, you should
try freshly made ?malossol? black caviar (especially beluga) and
various smoked sturgeon fish. But taste it before buying.
Believe it or not, but the visa process for Russians who want to visit
USA is 100 times worse. It is probably easier for a Russian to be
admitted to a competitive American college than to get an American
visa.
On Mar 10, 7:05 am, George replied:
Right. Of course, you will find maybe 50 times less variety of Russian
tortes in New York than in Moscow, and you won?t find any of the top-
end Moscow tortes that border on art, but you will get a good general
picture.
Well, sort of. Brighton Beach is to Russia what Manhattan?s Chinatown
is to China. Actually, Brighton Beach is more representative of
Southern Russia/Ukraine than of, say, Moscow or St. Pete.
On Mar 10, 6:51 am, Janet Wilder wrote:
I came to America from Moscow as a teenager more than 30 years ago.
Back in the 1970s, tortes had little nomenclature. I suspect that it
is still true today. Each large bakery in each large city in USSR made
several dozens of different tortes and gave them their own names aimed
at making them sound as enticing as possible: ?Surprise?, ?Ideal?,
?Winter Wonderland?, ?Berry Fantasy?, ?L?Amour?, etc. Many major
restaurants too had their signature tortes, and such tortes were known
among consumers by the restaurant?s name.
I often buy Russian style tortes here in the San Francisco Bay area,
but they are flown in from Los Angeles and New York. Every Russian
store here has its own supplier bakery. I don?t remember the exact
names of the tortes that I like the most. I just remember them
visually. The good think is that in USA, they are often sold by
weight, like cold cuts. So, depending on the particular store, you can
buy as little as half a pound to try. But beware: some bakeries are
good, and some ? not. Where do you live?
One classic torte is called ?Kiev?. Here is a close-up picture of one
home-made rendition:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/itkach/4661140854/#/photos/itkach/4661140854/lightbox/
Here is another:
http://www.kuharka.ru/images/users/gallery/2008/11/03/b_1841.gif
It even has a short Wiki entry:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiev_cake
Kiev cake
Kiev Cake is a brand of dessert cake, made in Kiev, Ukraine since the
1950s by the Karl Marx Confectionery Factory (now subsidiary of the
Roshen corporation) . It soon became popular all over USSR. The cake
has two airy layers of meringue with hazelnuts, chocolate glaze, and a
buttercream-like filling.
//////////////////////////////////
I am not sure if this is a 100% correct description. In the last half-
century, different bakeries have used Kiev torte as a starting point
for more sophisticated creations, adding layers of souffl?, Bavarian
and other types of cream, fruits and jams, etc. I often buy a Kiev-
style torte with lingonberries (cranberries) but I don?t recall its
name.
Here is a torte type called Monastery Hut:
http://samsay.ru/uploads/posts/2009-08/1251150075_0_1f5c7_7a02a4ba_l.jpg
http://www.kyxarka.ru/images/stories-1151/1246-400-1.jpg
http://i073.radikal.ru/0807/f1/e5f5f82af481.jpg
Almond Souffl?
http://test.mediacenter.com.ua/catalog/birdmilk.jpg
Bird?s Milk
http://coffeegamma.ru/public/images/goods/big/219.jpg
Matisse
http://www.magic-cake.ru/administrator/galery2/goods/creative/horizont/creative20_b.jpg
Watermelon
http://www.akkanto.ru/files/items/picture_257_1.jpg
http://www.mkkit.ru/assets/images/photos/277.jpg
Forest Berry
Here are pictures of some tortes made and sold by one of Russian
bakery in New York:
http://moscowonhudson.com/rus/store/26/food/bakery/cakes_page1.html
Here is a nice page with pictures and recipes for home-baking that I
found:
http://www.liveinternet.ru/users/tokitoka65/tags/%F2%EE%F0%F2/
You can use Google translate to translate these recipes into English.
I would be happy to do 2 things:
1. If anybody is interested, I can list some products that I would
recommend buying from a typical Russian food store in USA.
2. If you want, I can tell you the exact food items/restaurants that I
would recommend you to buy/visit when you are in Moscow, although they
may be outdated by 5 years.
Russia and East Europe don?t have the same variety and sophistication
of main courses as, say, France, Italy, China or Japan, but what
Russia and Ukraine are great at are appetizers (smoked fish, smoked
meat and hams, salumeria) and sweets (tortes, jams, cookies, candy).
Again, a trip to Brighton Beach (or to your local Russian store, if
it?s very large) will give you a good introduction. You will find
hundreds and hundreds of hams and salumeria items there. They have
more different kinds and cuts of hams than the Safeway supermarket has
different kinds of breakfast serials, and 10 times more kinds of
salamis than Safeway has of different potato chips.
On Mar 10, 9:32 am, Nad R wrote:
For sure. Downtown Moscow or St. Pete are safer than downtowns in
major American cities.
Safety is no problem for tourists. Russian cities are quite safe in
terms of regular crime. Islamic terrorism exists but it is too rare to
affect you. One major explosion or hostage taking in all of Russia
every couple of years. Getting hit by a bus is much likelier.
That doesn?t make sense. What is a ?RadioActive meter?? How does one
look? I have never seen one in my life. However, most of my Russian
experience is limited to Moscow and St. Petersburg. Was your nephew
visiting some uranium mine town or the Chernobyl nuclear power
plant?
Great. But my recommendation: go in the late spring or in the summer.
June is best. Autumns are often cold and rainy. Winters are long and
severe.
Well, first of all, you should check your itinerary. Moscow is not
really on the Volga River, although you can eventually get from Moscow
to the Volga through a long chain of rivers and canals.
But St. Petersburg is nowhere near Volga. In fact, it is in the
opposite direction from Moscow. Volga is way to the east of Moscow,
while St. Petersburg is to the north-east.
?A river boat trip from Moscow to St. Petersburg on the Volga River?
is like ?a river boat trip from New York to St. Boston on the
Mississippi River.? Make sure that you DO get to see the beautiful
city of St. Petersburg, especially in early summer.
But if you do come to the southern part of the Volga River, you should
try freshly made ?malossol? black caviar (especially beluga) and
various smoked sturgeon fish. But taste it before buying.
Believe it or not, but the visa process for Russians who want to visit
USA is 100 times worse. It is probably easier for a Russian to be
admitted to a competitive American college than to get an American
visa.
On Mar 10, 7:05 am, George replied:
Right. Of course, you will find maybe 50 times less variety of Russian
tortes in New York than in Moscow, and you won?t find any of the top-
end Moscow tortes that border on art, but you will get a good general
picture.
Well, sort of. Brighton Beach is to Russia what Manhattan?s Chinatown
is to China. Actually, Brighton Beach is more representative of
Southern Russia/Ukraine than of, say, Moscow or St. Pete.
On Mar 10, 6:51 am, Janet Wilder wrote:
I came to America from Moscow as a teenager more than 30 years ago.
Back in the 1970s, tortes had little nomenclature. I suspect that it
is still true today. Each large bakery in each large city in USSR made
several dozens of different tortes and gave them their own names aimed
at making them sound as enticing as possible: ?Surprise?, ?Ideal?,
?Winter Wonderland?, ?Berry Fantasy?, ?L?Amour?, etc. Many major
restaurants too had their signature tortes, and such tortes were known
among consumers by the restaurant?s name.
I often buy Russian style tortes here in the San Francisco Bay area,
but they are flown in from Los Angeles and New York. Every Russian
store here has its own supplier bakery. I don?t remember the exact
names of the tortes that I like the most. I just remember them
visually. The good think is that in USA, they are often sold by
weight, like cold cuts. So, depending on the particular store, you can
buy as little as half a pound to try. But beware: some bakeries are
good, and some ? not. Where do you live?
One classic torte is called ?Kiev?. Here is a close-up picture of one
home-made rendition:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/itkach/4661140854/#/photos/itkach/4661140854/lightbox/
Here is another:
http://www.kuharka.ru/images/users/gallery/2008/11/03/b_1841.gif
It even has a short Wiki entry:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiev_cake
Kiev cake
Kiev Cake is a brand of dessert cake, made in Kiev, Ukraine since the
1950s by the Karl Marx Confectionery Factory (now subsidiary of the
Roshen corporation) . It soon became popular all over USSR. The cake
has two airy layers of meringue with hazelnuts, chocolate glaze, and a
buttercream-like filling.
//////////////////////////////////
I am not sure if this is a 100% correct description. In the last half-
century, different bakeries have used Kiev torte as a starting point
for more sophisticated creations, adding layers of souffl?, Bavarian
and other types of cream, fruits and jams, etc. I often buy a Kiev-
style torte with lingonberries (cranberries) but I don?t recall its
name.
Here is a torte type called Monastery Hut:
http://samsay.ru/uploads/posts/2009-08/1251150075_0_1f5c7_7a02a4ba_l.jpg
http://www.kyxarka.ru/images/stories-1151/1246-400-1.jpg
http://i073.radikal.ru/0807/f1/e5f5f82af481.jpg
Almond Souffl?
http://test.mediacenter.com.ua/catalog/birdmilk.jpg
Bird?s Milk
http://coffeegamma.ru/public/images/goods/big/219.jpg
Matisse
http://www.magic-cake.ru/administrator/galery2/goods/creative/horizont/creative20_b.jpg
Watermelon
http://www.akkanto.ru/files/items/picture_257_1.jpg
http://www.mkkit.ru/assets/images/photos/277.jpg
Forest Berry
Here are pictures of some tortes made and sold by one of Russian
bakery in New York:
http://moscowonhudson.com/rus/store/26/food/bakery/cakes_page1.html
Here is a nice page with pictures and recipes for home-baking that I
found:
http://www.liveinternet.ru/users/tokitoka65/tags/%F2%EE%F0%F2/
You can use Google translate to translate these recipes into English.
I would be happy to do 2 things:
1. If anybody is interested, I can list some products that I would
recommend buying from a typical Russian food store in USA.
2. If you want, I can tell you the exact food items/restaurants that I
would recommend you to buy/visit when you are in Moscow, although they
may be outdated by 5 years.
Russia and East Europe don?t have the same variety and sophistication
of main courses as, say, France, Italy, China or Japan, but what
Russia and Ukraine are great at are appetizers (smoked fish, smoked
meat and hams, salumeria) and sweets (tortes, jams, cookies, candy).
Again, a trip to Brighton Beach (or to your local Russian store, if
it?s very large) will give you a good introduction. You will find
hundreds and hundreds of hams and salumeria items there. They have
more different kinds and cuts of hams than the Safeway supermarket has
different kinds of breakfast serials, and 10 times more kinds of
salamis than Safeway has of different potato chips.
On Mar 10, 9:32 am, Nad R wrote:
For sure. Downtown Moscow or St. Pete are safer than downtowns in
major American cities.
Safety is no problem for tourists. Russian cities are quite safe in
terms of regular crime. Islamic terrorism exists but it is too rare to
affect you. One major explosion or hostage taking in all of Russia
every couple of years. Getting hit by a bus is much likelier.
That doesn?t make sense. What is a ?RadioActive meter?? How does one
look? I have never seen one in my life. However, most of my Russian
experience is limited to Moscow and St. Petersburg. Was your nephew
visiting some uranium mine town or the Chernobyl nuclear power
plant?
Great. But my recommendation: go in the late spring or in the summer.
June is best. Autumns are often cold and rainy. Winters are long and
severe.
Janet Wilder wrote:
Well, first of all, you should check your itinerary. Moscow is not
really on the Volga River, although you can eventually get from Moscow
to the Volga through a long chain of rivers and canals.
But St. Petersburg is nowhere near Volga. In fact, it is in the
opposite direction from Moscow. Volga is way to the east of Moscow,
while St. Petersburg is to the north-east.
?A river boat trip from Moscow to St. Petersburg on the Volga River?
is like ?a river boat trip from New York to St. Boston on the
Mississippi River.? Make sure that you DO get to see the beautiful
city of St. Petersburg, especially in early summer.
But if you do come to the southern part of the Volga River, you should
try freshly made ?malossol? black caviar (especially beluga) and
various smoked sturgeon fish. But taste it before buying.
Believe it or not, but the visa process for Russians who want to visit
USA is 100 times worse. It is probably easier for a Russian to be
admitted to a competitive American college than to get an American
visa.
On Mar 10, 7:05 am, George replied:
Right. Of course, you will find maybe 50 times less variety of Russian
tortes in New York than in Moscow, and you won?t find any of the top-
end Moscow tortes that border on art, but you will get a good general
picture.
Well, sort of. Brighton Beach is to Russia what Manhattan?s Chinatown
is to China. Actually, Brighton Beach is more representative of
Southern Russia/Ukraine than of, say, Moscow or St. Pete.
On Mar 10, 6:51 am, Janet Wilder wrote:
I came to America from Moscow as a teenager more than 30 years ago.
Back in the 1970s, tortes had little nomenclature. I suspect that it
is still true today. Each large bakery in each large city in USSR made
several dozens of different tortes and gave them their own names aimed
at making them sound as enticing as possible: ?Surprise?, ?Ideal?,
?Winter Wonderland?, ?Berry Fantasy?, ?L?Amour?, etc. Many major
restaurants too had their signature tortes, and such tortes were known
among consumers by the restaurant?s name.
I often buy Russian style tortes here in the San Francisco Bay area,
but they are flown in from Los Angeles and New York. Every Russian
store here has its own supplier bakery. I don?t remember the exact
names of the tortes that I like the most. I just remember them
visually. The good think is that in USA, they are often sold by
weight, like cold cuts. So, depending on the particular store, you can
buy as little as half a pound to try. But beware: some bakeries are
good, and some ? not. Where do you live?
One classic torte is called ?Kiev?. Here is a close-up picture of one
home-made rendition:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/itkach/4661140854/#/photos/itkach/4661140854/lightbox/
Here is another:
http://www.kuharka.ru/images/users/gallery/2008/11/03/b_1841.gif
It even has a short Wiki entry:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiev_cake
Kiev cake
Kiev Cake is a brand of dessert cake, made in Kiev, Ukraine since the
1950s by the Karl Marx Confectionery Factory (now subsidiary of the
Roshen corporation) . It soon became popular all over USSR. The cake
has two airy layers of meringue with hazelnuts, chocolate glaze, and a
buttercream-like filling.
//////////////////////////////////
I am not sure if this is a 100% correct description. In the last half-
century, different bakeries have used Kiev torte as a starting point
for more sophisticated creations, adding layers of souffl?, Bavarian
and other types of cream, fruits and jams, etc. I often buy a Kiev-
style torte with lingonberries (cranberries) but I don?t recall its
name.
Here is a torte type called Monastery Hut:
http://samsay.ru/uploads/posts/2009-08/1251150075_0_1f5c7_7a02a4ba_l.jpg
http://www.kyxarka.ru/images/stories-1151/1246-400-1.jpg
http://i073.radikal.ru/0807/f1/e5f5f82af481.jpg
Almond Souffl?
http://test.mediacenter.com.ua/catalog/birdmilk.jpg
Bird?s Milk
http://coffeegamma.ru/public/images/goods/big/219.jpg
Matisse
http://www.magic-cake.ru/administrator/galery2/goods/creative/horizont/creative20_b.jpg
Watermelon
http://www.akkanto.ru/files/items/picture_257_1.jpg
http://www.mkkit.ru/assets/images/photos/277.jpg
Forest Berry
Here are pictures of some tortes made and sold by one of Russian
bakery in New York:
http://moscowonhudson.com/rus/store/26/food/bakery/cakes_page1.html
Here is a nice page with pictures and recipes for home-baking that I
found:
http://www.liveinternet.ru/users/tokitoka65/tags/%F2%EE%F0%F2/
You can use Google translate to translate these recipes into English.
I would be happy to do 2 things:
1. If anybody is interested, I can list some products that I would
recommend buying from a typical Russian food store in USA.
2. If you want, I can tell you the exact food items/restaurants that I
would recommend you to buy/visit when you are in Moscow, although they
may be outdated by 5 years.
Russia and East Europe don?t have the same variety and sophistication
of main courses as, say, France, Italy, China or Japan, but what
Russia and Ukraine are great at are appetizers (smoked fish, smoked
meat and hams, salumeria) and sweets (tortes, jams, cookies, candy).
Again, a trip to Brighton Beach (or to your local Russian store, if
it?s very large) will give you a good introduction. You will find
hundreds and hundreds of hams and salumeria items there. They have
more different kinds and cuts of hams than the Safeway supermarket has
different kinds of breakfast serials, and 10 times more kinds of
salamis than Safeway has of different potato chips.
On Mar 10, 9:32 am, Nad R wrote:
For sure. Downtown Moscow or St. Pete are safer than downtowns in
major American cities.
Safety is no problem for tourists. Russian cities are quite safe in
terms of regular crime. Islamic terrorism exists but it is too rare to
affect you. One major explosion or hostage taking in all of Russia
every couple of years. Getting hit by a bus is much likelier.
That doesn?t make sense. What is a ?RadioActive meter?? How does one
look? I have never seen one in my life. However, most of my Russian
experience is limited to Moscow and St. Petersburg. Was your nephew
visiting some uranium mine town or the Chernobyl nuclear power
plant?
Great.
But my recommendation: go in the late spring or in the summer. June is
best. Autumns are often cold and rainy. Winters are long and severe.
Well, first of all, you should check your itinerary. Moscow is not
really on the Volga River, although you can eventually get from Moscow
to the Volga through a long chain of rivers and canals.
But St. Petersburg is nowhere near Volga. In fact, it is in the
opposite direction from Moscow. Volga is way to the east of Moscow,
while St. Petersburg is to the north-east.
?A river boat trip from Moscow to St. Petersburg on the Volga River?
is like ?a river boat trip from New York to St. Boston on the
Mississippi River.? Make sure that you DO get to see the beautiful
city of St. Petersburg, especially in early summer.
But if you do come to the southern part of the Volga River, you should
try freshly made ?malossol? black caviar (especially beluga) and
various smoked sturgeon fish. But taste it before buying.
Believe it or not, but the visa process for Russians who want to visit
USA is 100 times worse. It is probably easier for a Russian to be
admitted to a competitive American college than to get an American
visa.
On Mar 10, 7:05 am, George replied:
Right. Of course, you will find maybe 50 times less variety of Russian
tortes in New York than in Moscow, and you won?t find any of the top-
end Moscow tortes that border on art, but you will get a good general
picture.
Well, sort of. Brighton Beach is to Russia what Manhattan?s Chinatown
is to China. Actually, Brighton Beach is more representative of
Southern Russia/Ukraine than of, say, Moscow or St. Pete.
On Mar 10, 6:51 am, Janet Wilder wrote:
I came to America from Moscow as a teenager more than 30 years ago.
Back in the 1970s, tortes had little nomenclature. I suspect that it
is still true today. Each large bakery in each large city in USSR made
several dozens of different tortes and gave them their own names aimed
at making them sound as enticing as possible: ?Surprise?, ?Ideal?,
?Winter Wonderland?, ?Berry Fantasy?, ?L?Amour?, etc. Many major
restaurants too had their signature tortes, and such tortes were known
among consumers by the restaurant?s name.
I often buy Russian style tortes here in the San Francisco Bay area,
but they are flown in from Los Angeles and New York. Every Russian
store here has its own supplier bakery. I don?t remember the exact
names of the tortes that I like the most. I just remember them
visually. The good think is that in USA, they are often sold by
weight, like cold cuts. So, depending on the particular store, you can
buy as little as half a pound to try. But beware: some bakeries are
good, and some ? not. Where do you live?
One classic torte is called ?Kiev?. Here is a close-up picture of one
home-made rendition:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/itkach/4661140854/#/photos/itkach/4661140854/lightbox/
Here is another:
http://www.kuharka.ru/images/users/gallery/2008/11/03/b_1841.gif
It even has a short Wiki entry:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiev_cake
Kiev cake
Kiev Cake is a brand of dessert cake, made in Kiev, Ukraine since the
1950s by the Karl Marx Confectionery Factory (now subsidiary of the
Roshen corporation) . It soon became popular all over USSR. The cake
has two airy layers of meringue with hazelnuts, chocolate glaze, and a
buttercream-like filling.
//////////////////////////////////
I am not sure if this is a 100% correct description. In the last half-
century, different bakeries have used Kiev torte as a starting point
for more sophisticated creations, adding layers of souffl?, Bavarian
and other types of cream, fruits and jams, etc. I often buy a Kiev-
style torte with lingonberries (cranberries) but I don?t recall its
name.
Here is a torte type called Monastery Hut:
http://samsay.ru/uploads/posts/2009-08/1251150075_0_1f5c7_7a02a4ba_l.jpg
http://www.kyxarka.ru/images/stories-1151/1246-400-1.jpg
http://i073.radikal.ru/0807/f1/e5f5f82af481.jpg
Almond Souffl?
http://test.mediacenter.com.ua/catalog/birdmilk.jpg
Bird?s Milk
http://coffeegamma.ru/public/images/goods/big/219.jpg
Matisse
http://www.magic-cake.ru/administrator/galery2/goods/creative/horizont/creative20_b.jpg
Watermelon
http://www.akkanto.ru/files/items/picture_257_1.jpg
http://www.mkkit.ru/assets/images/photos/277.jpg
Forest Berry
Here are pictures of some tortes made and sold by one of Russian
bakery in New York:
http://moscowonhudson.com/rus/store/26/food/bakery/cakes_page1.html
Here is a nice page with pictures and recipes for home-baking that I
found:
http://www.liveinternet.ru/users/tokitoka65/tags/%F2%EE%F0%F2/
You can use Google translate to translate these recipes into English.
I would be happy to do 2 things:
1. If anybody is interested, I can list some products that I would
recommend buying from a typical Russian food store in USA.
2. If you want, I can tell you the exact food items/restaurants that I
would recommend you to buy/visit when you are in Moscow, although they
may be outdated by 5 years.
Russia and East Europe don?t have the same variety and sophistication
of main courses as, say, France, Italy, China or Japan, but what
Russia and Ukraine are great at are appetizers (smoked fish, smoked
meat and hams, salumeria) and sweets (tortes, jams, cookies, candy).
Again, a trip to Brighton Beach (or to your local Russian store, if
it?s very large) will give you a good introduction. You will find
hundreds and hundreds of hams and salumeria items there. They have
more different kinds and cuts of hams than the Safeway supermarket has
different kinds of breakfast serials, and 10 times more kinds of
salamis than Safeway has of different potato chips.
On Mar 10, 9:32 am, Nad R wrote:
For sure. Downtown Moscow or St. Pete are safer than downtowns in
major American cities.
Safety is no problem for tourists. Russian cities are quite safe in
terms of regular crime. Islamic terrorism exists but it is too rare to
affect you. One major explosion or hostage taking in all of Russia
every couple of years. Getting hit by a bus is much likelier.
That doesn?t make sense. What is a ?RadioActive meter?? How does one
look? I have never seen one in my life. However, most of my Russian
experience is limited to Moscow and St. Petersburg. Was your nephew
visiting some uranium mine town or the Chernobyl nuclear power
plant?
Great.
But my recommendation: go in the late spring or in the summer. June is
best. Autumns are often cold and rainy. Winters are long and severe.
Sweetme787
New member
On 8 Mar 2011 14:00:35 GMT, notbob wrote:
Oh, come on. We don't have open carry laws, but anyone without a
looney tunes or criminal past can carry a concealed weapon with the
proper license. Maybe the problem you have is that California law
does not recognize CCW licenses issued in other states.
--
Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
Oh, come on. We don't have open carry laws, but anyone without a
looney tunes or criminal past can carry a concealed weapon with the
proper license. Maybe the problem you have is that California law
does not recognize CCW licenses issued in other states.
--
Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
mr mcmahon rules
New member
Cindy Hamilton wrote:
I think those who read while eating don't even taste their food, they
just keep shoveling it in and also tend to over eat. Now I don't care
if one eats alone while reading but I don't permit reading at my table
with company, I find that extremely rude. There's no TV in my dining
area either.
In fact when I have company there is no TV on, you wanna watch TV stay
home, by the same token when I'm visiting and folks turn on the TV I
consider that a signal for me to depart. I don't consider watching TV
with guests socializing.
I think those who read while eating don't even taste their food, they
just keep shoveling it in and also tend to over eat. Now I don't care
if one eats alone while reading but I don't permit reading at my table
with company, I find that extremely rude. There's no TV in my dining
area either.
In fact when I have company there is no TV on, you wanna watch TV stay
home, by the same token when I'm visiting and folks turn on the TV I
consider that a signal for me to depart. I don't consider watching TV
with guests socializing.
Trebor1990
New member
On Mar 7, 6:58?pm, "Ed Pawlowski" wrote:
PBS? The TV network? I agree that there are a lot of commercials. I
seldom watch our public TV station, so I don't give them money. I do,
however, listen to anywhere from 20-60 hours of public radio every
week, and they have very understated underwriting credits, plus
they're the best source of balanced news and discussion. I don't do
Fox or Right wing radio stuff, nor do I listen to Pacifica or watch MS-
NBC. I want to hear a person from the Heritage Foundation and another
from Brookings having a civil discussion, or someone from the AFL-CIO,
and another from Cato justify their positions with solid logic, all
the while knowing where each is coming from ideologically. I even
completely understand why folks would find my former band distasteful
because it was essentially yelling and screaming about politics, even
if a person happened to agree with the message, and otherwise liked
the packaging. The shit has already hit the fan pretty much, and I
don't think this is a case of every generation thinking they'll live
to see the Apocalypse. The decline of the USA isn't going to be
pretty. The pressure that increased population is putting on the
planet isn't going to be pretty. All the "see, I told you sos" aren't
going to be satisfying for very many people, no matter what their
ideologies. We are approaching the end of a Golden Age in the First
World, and so few of us really knew/know how lucky we were/are.
--Bryan
PBS? The TV network? I agree that there are a lot of commercials. I
seldom watch our public TV station, so I don't give them money. I do,
however, listen to anywhere from 20-60 hours of public radio every
week, and they have very understated underwriting credits, plus
they're the best source of balanced news and discussion. I don't do
Fox or Right wing radio stuff, nor do I listen to Pacifica or watch MS-
NBC. I want to hear a person from the Heritage Foundation and another
from Brookings having a civil discussion, or someone from the AFL-CIO,
and another from Cato justify their positions with solid logic, all
the while knowing where each is coming from ideologically. I even
completely understand why folks would find my former band distasteful
because it was essentially yelling and screaming about politics, even
if a person happened to agree with the message, and otherwise liked
the packaging. The shit has already hit the fan pretty much, and I
don't think this is a case of every generation thinking they'll live
to see the Apocalypse. The decline of the USA isn't going to be
pretty. The pressure that increased population is putting on the
planet isn't going to be pretty. All the "see, I told you sos" aren't
going to be satisfying for very many people, no matter what their
ideologies. We are approaching the end of a Golden Age in the First
World, and so few of us really knew/know how lucky we were/are.
--Bryan
identity_unveiled
New member
On 2011-03-07, George wrote:
....and your opinion of who the govt should or should not fund is NOT
biased by your political inclination. Whew!! I'm sure glad you
straightened us out on that misconception.
Yes. How dare they expect to be bailed out with taxpayer money, just
as if they were really private US corporations steered to near rack
and ruin, almost taking down the entire US economy, by greedy
unscrupulous CEOs. Boy! Sure glad we caught that unbiased use of
govt funds.
Thank you, Mr Unbiased man. You saved us all.
nb
....and your opinion of who the govt should or should not fund is NOT
biased by your political inclination. Whew!! I'm sure glad you
straightened us out on that misconception.
Yes. How dare they expect to be bailed out with taxpayer money, just
as if they were really private US corporations steered to near rack
and ruin, almost taking down the entire US economy, by greedy
unscrupulous CEOs. Boy! Sure glad we caught that unbiased use of
govt funds.
Thank you, Mr Unbiased man. You saved us all.
nb
"Nunya Bidnits" wrote
Run by some dumb people though
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41986715/ns/politics-more_politics/
NPR's CEO and president, Vivian Schiller, has been forced to resign, the
radio broadcaster's media correspondent reported Wednesday, following an
undercover sting in which a senior executive was videotaped describing Tea
Party members as "racist."
Run by some dumb people though
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41986715/ns/politics-more_politics/
NPR's CEO and president, Vivian Schiller, has been forced to resign, the
radio broadcaster's media correspondent reported Wednesday, following an
undercover sting in which a senior executive was videotaped describing Tea
Party members as "racist."
MacawLover
New member
On Fri, 11 Mar 2011 21:20:47 -0500, Cheryl
wrote:
That's certainly a cautionary tale! I really do not want to deal with
any sort of satellite dish, even the smaller ones. They seem to be
too big of a PITA beginning with figuring what's on TV. My mother had
both satellites and a Dish, so I got a taste of what it would be like
when I visited and I did *not* like it.
--
Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
wrote:
That's certainly a cautionary tale! I really do not want to deal with
any sort of satellite dish, even the smaller ones. They seem to be
too big of a PITA beginning with figuring what's on TV. My mother had
both satellites and a Dish, so I got a taste of what it would be like
when I visited and I did *not* like it.
--
Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
J. Clarke wrote:
Thanks for the guidance. Not that I'll skip a trip to my favorite toy
store on that account. ;^)
What I was looking for was live local news and live local weather. The
weather is easy on the web. I don't care about the resolution of the
news. If it lets me switch to broadband only that's a big win. I could
use Netflix for the shows we watch and end up watching better quality
material overall. We're not ready to drop broadcast until we can get
live local news and weather online, though.
So IPTV is not ready for what I call prime time. I'll wait.
It would save me the $25 monthly subscription to Tivo not the $182
monthly to Comcast. Right. Once I figured that out I lost interest.
I'd rather pay Tivo $25 per month than mess with the MythTV - Until it
can get me live local news and weather online not over the cable.
Thanks for the guidance. Not that I'll skip a trip to my favorite toy
store on that account. ;^)
What I was looking for was live local news and live local weather. The
weather is easy on the web. I don't care about the resolution of the
news. If it lets me switch to broadband only that's a big win. I could
use Netflix for the shows we watch and end up watching better quality
material overall. We're not ready to drop broadcast until we can get
live local news and weather online, though.
So IPTV is not ready for what I call prime time. I'll wait.
It would save me the $25 monthly subscription to Tivo not the $182
monthly to Comcast. Right. Once I figured that out I lost interest.
I'd rather pay Tivo $25 per month than mess with the MythTV - Until it
can get me live local news and weather online not over the cable.
fosho abdo
New member
Ostap wrote:
I think your information might be out of date.
http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1006.html
Bob
I think your information might be out of date.
http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1006.html
Bob
On Mon, 7 Mar 2011 08:41:09 -0800 (PST), Nancy2
wrote:
Cable nickels and dimes you to death. Charge for every box & card,
charge for every little thing. If I could get over the air signals
without ghosts, I'd dump those things.
--
Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
wrote:
Cable nickels and dimes you to death. Charge for every box & card,
charge for every little thing. If I could get over the air signals
without ghosts, I'd dump those things.
--
Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
dellreyna1984
New member
J. Clarke wrote:
Right. That question might be easy to address - How many CWW licenses
were issued in the state of California in the last year and how many
applications were there? If it's in the thousands then it changed
dramatically since when I moved out of California in 2000. At that
point it was like 2 permits issues statewide in the previous decade.
Absymal track record.
Right. That question might be easy to address - How many CWW licenses
were issued in the state of California in the last year and how many
applications were there? If it's in the thousands then it changed
dramatically since when I moved out of California in 2000. At that
point it was like 2 permits issues statewide in the previous decade.
Absymal track record.