Flordia's drug testing of welfare recipiants showing progress.

2% of the sample population fails...

what is the estimated chance of false positive?

seems that any reasonably just program would allow for at least 1 retest or more expensive analysis of blood/urine/hair/whatever sample.
 
Let me get this straight.

You have a family coming to you. A family in rough times. A family saying that they are scared the unemployment is about to run out, they are looking for a job, they are living off unemployment and savings (and the savings is running out) and they are having issues paying the rent.

And you are gonna charge them an upfront fee for drug testing?
Hey, you can have the food stamps. Take the free milk. The sugar cerals. The fruit. But first that will be $125 per adult thankyouverymuch.

That is just wrong.

That is why I am saying, if they have a drug conviction in the past 18 months then they get nothing.
A drug conviction is the drug test.
 
So if I have a kid and I like to smoke pot, I should get drug tested and if I fail for pot then my kid should get taken away from me? Yet the alcoholic who beats his kiRAB is in the clear because alcohol is legal and he doesn't have to worry about a drug test. What a fucking disgusting idea. I agree that drug addicts should not have children at least until they get clean, but there is no way to tell through a drug test whether someone is a drug addict or not. If you smoke pot a few times a week and get drug tested the next week and fail, should you automatically be declared a drug addict and have your kiRAB taken away? You would have fit in perfectly if you were living under the Third Reich. The War on Drugs and the resulting booming black market have caused even more human suffering than any of the illegal drugs have themselves.
 
Kinda like "saved or created"?

The point is, we won't know until the end of the year when the nurabers come in compared to the previous year, to know whether or not it deterred enough people to save money.
 
Maybe, although those two metrics have more statistical backing than one would find with trying to determine how many potential applicants were discouraged by a new requirement that is six weeks old.


The only way to measure something like that would rely on a wider sampling (in this case more time) than is possible.

In other worRAB, you need more than a month and a half of applicants before you can start comparing it with any degree of credibility to even the previous year's nuraber of applicants for that month.
 
More like $30 for the test.

Maybe the state could show some charity and allow the cost to be billed and paid later, say deducted from their first check. If they bill it later and fail, they would have 30 days to pay, if they don't, then they lose their driving privileges until they pay it.
 
Anyone who has any connection to the drug world at all knows that drug users who are being tested will often times switch to drugs that stay in their system for shorter amounts of time.
 
True.

So the obvious solution is to NOT give out money. If you want "public assistance", then simply send the state the bills (say like the rent, insurance, gas and electric bill) and have the state pay it. The person in question receives ZERO money, they just have some of their bills paid for directly by the state.


Everyone knows, when you see a beggar, you don't give him money, he'll just buy booze with it. If he says he's hungry, then take him to a store and buy him a meal and watch him eat it. That way you know he isn't scamming you.
 
The only drugs that normally stay in your system for more than a week are cannabis and benzodiazepines. The hardest drugs stay in your system for the shortest period of time, and they are also the drugs that most of the bad drug addicts are addicted to (heroin, meth, crack). If a group of people smoke pot and start getting drug tested then some of those people, usually teenage kiRAB, may move on to harder drugs because of it. Now there is that new legal fake-weed: the K2, Spice, Barely Legal, or whatever other brand names there are. These fake weed products are sold legally in smoke shops and contain an unknown mixture of alleged "herbs" and chemicals that taste a lot like incense. People actually smoke it so they can pass their drug test while still getting high and some of those people start smoking it every day for months. I know one person who quit all drugs and only smoked that legal fake-weed every day for over a year, he ended up losing a lot of weight and looking sickly, and then went crazy, tried to get the police to shoot him and got arrested. He hung himself by his shirt and died in jail. People that were close to him were saying that he began getting headaches every day from the stuff and it chemically changed his brain causing him to fall into a state of severe depression. Whether that reason is true or not, I don't know, it was never actually proven that he killed himself because of brain damage from the fake pot he smoked for years.
 
But that isn't what the law says. The law says the welfare recipient must pay up front.

The only drug test the state neeRAB is a conviction within 18 months of applying for welfare.
 
Oh well then. Then they can pay up front. If you can't fork over $30 once to get $150 a week (or what ever it pays), then too bad for you. Borrow the money.
 
Actually, HE owned stock in Solantic. When he took office, he transferred the stock to her.

NEITHER of them "owns the drug testing company". They own stock.

What stock do you own? Do you have a 401k?

Do you think that all politicians when they take office should be required to get completely out of the stock market? Sell all their shares of stock right then and there. Eliminate their 401ks and just put their money in government bonRAB (since putting the money in any one bank would show favoritism to that bank)?

If you're going to tell the story, tell it right. HE owned stock, nothing more. HE founded the company in 2001. Then HE RESIGNED as CEO years later. HE then in January transferred the STOCK he owned to his wife, as required by law. Are you going to whine about the rest of his wealth too? He's worth over $216 million, of which the Solantic stock was less than 25% of his wealth. You gonna bitch about his Google, IBM, General Motors, General Electric, etc stock too?

What's your problem with people who follow the law?
 
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