Firefox sucks

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Mlllkm

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I really dont get what the hype surrounding Firefox is all about. Sure it has many useful features like tabbed browsing and a built in pop-up blocker. But Firefox is a browser. Its primary function is to render web pages. Firefox's ancient gecko engine is the oldest and crappiest among those of the major browsers, IE, Safari and Opera.

Ever since Firefox started becoming popular, I have been up to my chest in requests to make web pages "Firefox compliant". I am a web designer and have designed quite a number of sites. My sites worked just fine in IE, Opera and Safari. But along comes Firefox, with its shitty rendering engine, and now my clients are pressing me to make pages "Firefox compliant". Firefox's ancient engine almost always butchers my CSS styles so my websites look distorted. I upheld my customer satisfaction guarentee and began an ardous summer of making sites "Firefox compliant". As of now, I have updated 12 sites with 7 left to go.

If it cant render web pages right, then it's a bad browser. I dont care how many useful features it has. If it can fulfill its primary purpose, it sucks.
 
You obviously have no clue what you're talking about; Gecko is actively being developed, and it's Alpha version (soon to be released somewhere around October) is at 1.8.(after the branch from Netscape) The Gecko engine conforms completely to HTML, XHTML, XML, CSS1 and CSS2 ( and some of the CSS3 working print) standards, as well as Application/XML (which is how XHTML content should be sent, and IE fails at), SVG and a few other niche things like MathML.

Are you writing valid websites from the beginning? Are you validating you markup and CSS? Because if you were, you wouldn
 
Here is a fun bit of information.

Even IE's developers admin it's lacking in CSS support.

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I've had issues with FF, 'rendering' if you will, CSS positions.. IE: I have a "random quote of the day" line in one of my pages that the positioning in IE is perfect, but the positioning in FF is actually about 5 px lower yet my CSS and my XHTML have both been validated by wc3.. I know this isnt really a big deal because you can write a javascript to get around it, but if my code is 'valid' css according to the WEB standard, and IE puts it in the right spot, and FF doesnt, that tells me FF doesnt render correctly.. Its not really a big deal to me, just throwing my experience and two cents in.. :D
 
CSS can be valid and still incorrect for the situation. "Valid" just means it's a correct implementation of the selector in question. I've found that IE is more open to suggestion than Firefox (which is bad) and tends to second guess mark up - some times it guesses in a good way, sometimes in a bad way. I've yet to find any situation where Firfox didn't render something correctly... I might have had to play with my markup or CSS a bit, but it has always worked for me.
 
Yeah I realise this.. Just found it interesting that IE put it where I want it, and FF didn't.. But its not hard to write a script around it, so I'm over it.. GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO PHP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
I like PHP because it's easy to code in, but it's really a shitty language. I wish it fully supported OO and didn't have shitty features like register_globals and magic quotes. :frown:
 
First off. Gecko is being developed. I agree with that. But firefox's engine hasnt changed since back in the day when it was known as firebird. I have firebird 0.6, firefox0.9 and firefox 1.0. All of them make the same rendering errors. This shows that either the engine hasnt changed or all those supposed changes dont work. Gecko can be constantly improved upon but those changes were not incorporated into Firefox. After all, gecko was intended to netscape and mozilla.

And second, what do you use CSS for? If you just use CSS for text styles and backgrounds, you wont run into any problems. Firefox renders most CSS just fine. But it butchers CSS when you use it for layout. and yes I can assure you that my CSS is W3C standards compliant. My xhtml is compliant with the exception of all the alt tags. I find them retarded.

And I dont have any links to websites that are broken. You see, my clients dont like it when their website is broken. So I replaced the CSS in all the broken websites with tables as a temporary solution and then attempted to work with the CSS.

Oh and btw, I didnt say IE is great. I said its rendering engine is better than FF's. IE, along with Opera and safari have better engines than FF. If you have ever tried to layout websites with CSS, you would know. Go over to www.sitepoint.com and browse the forums. Most of the layout problems for which people are asking for help occur in FF.
 
firefox is a pretty good browser the only problem with it is that it freezes my computer, but i blame that on my crappy computer
 
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