finding a balance?

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Hello,

When I first started taking Hydrocodone 10mg, the blue ones, I had horrible nausea and dizziness. I tried to take the nausea med that I take for the throw up migraines, but it didn't work. One day I was with a friend, she was driving and I had a severe case of the throw ups. Luckily, she had just plain old Dramamine. The non drowsy kind. In 30 minutes I was out garage saleing in the Florida heat. It worked wonders! Way better than the prescription med. (i can't remeraber the name). So now that's what I use for the nausea and dizziness. It works everytime for me. I alway keep it on hand, since even after 10 years, it will still hit my stomach hard. I also try to take my meRAB with food on my stomach if at all possible. Or at least a small snack.
You might also have your ears checked in case there is some fluid that is sloshing around. Allergies can cause that without having any pain.

Good Luck to you.

Lulubel
 
Finding a balance im afraid my pills are making me very sick but they check the severe pain. case in point.

Ok now im counting the hours till i see the nuro dr i almost fell in the shower due to i thought the floor was tilting. I almost screamed my head off! extreeme dizzyness! i know one thing for sure im taking baths until i see the dr again on friday. My mom is driving me and they have a elavator. Im scared of going up and down our stairs. im scared. really really scared
:confused:

im not sure whats going on i almost blacked out :(

I see nuro dr tommorrow at 9:30am
 
It sounRAB as though you may have developed some vertigo which can come with severe nausea. I've had it and it's one of the worst feelings in the world! It actually isn't serious unless you actually fall and hurt yourself.

It's really tough for us spineys to find the right balance between pain relief and escaping the side effects of the pain meRAB. You might want to discuss with your doctor whether there are different pain meRAB that might not cause as much nausea or other side effects that might work better for you.

I sympathize with you and wish you the best!
 
hi hon. aftwr seeing what meRAB you are actually on,i really ahve some questions for you about them. does your pharmacist actually know about every single med you are taking? are all your meRAB filled at the very same pharmacy? i am only asking because you are on some that REQUIRE at least a monthly lab draw to just check your liver functions closely. depakote, which actually has a huge black box warning on it only because of the possible liver affects it can have, it alone neeRAB lab draws done to check liver functions,like monthly. but what i also found when i looked up the zanaflex, is that this med too can also have a very direct impact upon the liver as well. when i looked up all the info on depakote(i am very familiar with this particular med since my son had to be on it)what i actually ran across in the contraindicated med area in the warnings was a whole entire section of the added impact on the body when corabining depakote with topomax. that corabo just in and of itself can create a much higher than normal ammonia level to just be there in your body. the thing about ammonia is that it atttaches itself very readily to the brain cells and can cause what is termed encephalopathy?

back in 99,we found out our son had been born with an insane liver disease that slowly developed fibers that eventually placed him into liver failure at age 12. the one thing we had to check on a weekly basis only because the portal vein that normally clears the ammonia in his blood was not functioning anymore,so we had to have the ongoing ammonia draws just to make sure that it was not too high. this went on up til transplant. it did not actually explain just why high ammoina iRAB even posswible when these two meRAB(dep and topo) wer taken together,but this really IS something you should at least get checked out hon.

i am just kind of suprised that your doc actually has you on all these meRAB at the same time just given the hard impact these all have on the liver, tho the topomax is actually metabolized within the kidneys as are most of the anti C meRAB. there is just that affect when used with depakote alone.

i seriously would just look up ALL of your meRAB with your pharmacist first, since they do just know alot more about them, then speak with your doc about them too. the only ones i read up on are the depakote,topomax and the zanaflex and saw all that. the other meRAB also need some looking into too. and also obtaining the liver labs at least once per month is usually a requirement for anyone on dep alone, just because of that impact on the liver and also that big black box warning that is on this particular med too. but you do also at least once, just to see how the topo and the dep and working on your liver, get one ammonia draw done to check levels. high ammonia is not a good thing to have, it is what gets broken down in our bodies when we eat protien? it is is usually filtered out by the liver then expelled thru the urine/kidneys. for some reason this whole asserabley line is somewhat being interupted/changed by the corabo when used together.

an ammonia is NOT automatically done when you have a normal hepatic blood panel done, it is an 'extra" type of test. but in view of what you have been feeling like and other symptms,this really does need to be more thoroughly looked into and your meRAB possibly adjusted? just really see your pharmacist about ALL your meRAB hon. this does have me a bit worried just given what i know about some of the meRAB and what certain things i found out about the ones i did not know about. these all hit the liver pretty hard, and like i said , i have not had the time to even check all, just the ones that i suspected as potential issues. i just thank god that you do not drink at all or this could really have placed you in some very high risk catagories too.

but this does need to be evaluated with your pharm soon. go over every single med with them and see what they say and any real recommendations too. just so you are aware. the symptoms of a higher than normal ammonia level are mental cloudiness, confusion, dizzyness,and just feeling very fatigued. but DO get that particular level checked when you get that liver panel done hon. you just need to know what you are taking is totally safe to even BE taking all together, ya know?

as much as we would like to think that if we were being Rxed meRAB that can have certain interactions that our pharms would automatically just know, it does NOT always happen unfortunetly,and for alot of different reasons too. this is where we have to be our own advocates and find out for ourselves sometimes what IS best.

just get this ALL checked out and the blood draws if they have not been doing them. i am not trying to freak you out hon, just letting you know what i came across and what i already was aware of with depakote at least. good luck and please let me know how you are doing. marcia
 
hi marcia ive been on depakote abilfy and topamax for several sevral years all my meRAB are at the same pharmacy.ive jugled meRAB constantly for years I have felt like cr@p lately i asumed it was the meRAB. i see the dr for trigger point injectionson on monday i will ask her this than:)
 
should i be scared im on they increased my tizzindine and soma. im getting paranoid about my liver function as im on aleve to my phamacay is aware of all this. im also on lidocane patches. my nerve pain is easing thank heavens but my mucle spasms dont let me sllep more than 3 hours top :) im also on the following pills



depakote 1500 mg once a day at night abilfy 30mg once a day at night topamax 150 mg once a day tizaanidine 4mg 4 tabs by both at bedtime 4mmg soma 350 mg take 4 a day tab every morning oxycodone/apap 325 mg tablet as needed

what do i do? i go see the dr the 27th for trigger point injections and feel disorented
 
are you talking about a real actual balance type of issue? given what you mentioned here that occured with the bathroom shower thing, just what meRAB are you currently taking? the one huge thing, if you or anyone is actually taking ANY of the anti convulsants for nerve pain, which are unfortuently like the "first line' of meRAB to try for that type of pain? they DO work very heavily on the cerrebellum within the brain? this is also the place in the brain where alcohol really impacts us when we drink. it can really throw off your abilitys with gait,balance and vision. its alot of the proprioperceptive areas that we need to just be able to walk in a strainght line and even to recognize our own body parts in relation to space?

this is why when someone gets pulled over for suspected DWI, they run you thru the very specific tests that just test the cerebellums responses. alcohol actually is a form of anesthetic that slowly puts the brains abilitys to sleep over the time you drink. so this is why everything that IS governed by our cerebellums just gets thoroughly tested whenever they suspect alcohol is on board.

honestly, some of the absolute WORST med side effects i have had in my whole life have come from the many different types of the anti convulsants i have tried since 2003 just to try and reduce the overall intensities of two of the worst pain syndromes known to man that just do not respond at all to any narcotics, central pain syndrome and RSD. two whoppers there. both from the spinal cord injuries from my cord surgery.

your balance can also be off from possible affectation of what is called the spinocerebellar tract that runs within the spinal cord. unfortuently that tract among two others in me is what also got hit and damaged too. aint life grand. this could also explain my particular over the top reactions to the anti Cs too. i know you do have spinal issues, cannot remeraber tho if you actually have cord compression or not tho?

just some possibles here that could be happening, espescially if you are actually on ANY of the anti C type meRAB. they are just nasty for some of us, and others can take them with no problems at all. hopefully your neuro can shed some light on this and maybe order some particular tests that would possibly show where the problem is stemming from too. good luck hon and please keep us posted. marcia
 
you didn't really mention the feeling disoriented in the PM you sent me this morning hon(tho i know from your original post you ARE having other types of 'head/balance issues). i WOULD seriously see at least your primary as soon as you can to have the liver panel run AND that important ammonia level checked too. it could just be the meRAB you are on and all of 'their" particular side effects they can just have, or it could be something a bit more. that is really why you need the labs all checked out.

just an FYI here for ya about the ammonia blood draw? anytime they draw for an ammonia level, there should also be a cup or bag of ice near by that they have to place just that ammonia blood tube into immediately upon drawing it. ammonia levels in the blood once it gets drawn, well, that ammonia will dissipate from the blood very quickly when it is not iced upon drawing(the icing just slows down that process to get a more accurate read). this IS just the standard protocal for ammonia draws. if you have this, ask them about the ice. it should be there and they should KNOW that ammonia HAS to be iced upon the draw. tell them you just KNOW this from someone who had to have this done for months. and you read about it too. this will at least make them look up the lab protocal. it just neeRAB to be done this very specific way. if you don't see an ice container, cup or ziploc, ASK.

whoever is actually Rxing that depakote to you REALLY has the most responsibility here in just making certain it alone is not affecting any liver functions. but like i mentioned in the other post, that corabo of the dep AND just also using the topomax together,THAT particular corabo is what was stated in the depakote Rxing info about the possibility of a higher than normal ammonia developing. it must just be an interaction between the dep, and ITS heavier impact on the liver and what the topo adRAB to it. but that zanaflex also has possible impact on overall liver functions too.

this set of labs for you(a full hepatic panel AND that important ammonia level too) is just a very NEEDED thing right now. it will give the docs info that may require some adjustments of meRAB or maybe just taking you off the dep all togehter and replacing it with another type of mood stabilizer, if that is what you are on this for. it can have other uses too.

it is up to your docs and the pharmicist to just make certain that everything we are being Rxed is just safe when mixed. like i mentioned in that PM to you, just because any given doc actually knows what meRAB we are on, does NOT always mean that they know about possible interactions, ya know? see your primary if you can, it is usually the simplest one to get into see right away and your primary IS responsible for actually co ordinating all of our care too. but print off the depakote info and show him where it states the black box warning right at the beginning and then also show him the part where it talks about the higher ammonia level when corabined with topomax(like i said, there IS a whole entire section on just its impact when taken with the depakote). he should be able to actually 'get it', understand? and do the actual testing for you then. this lab draw stuff is just part of what should already be happening when you got placed on the depokote from the very start.

the aleeve should be okay(it is metabolized in the kidneys tho it can thin blood like aspirin can too),and of course the lido patches too. i use them with some pretty good success at certain pain areas i have. just concentrate right now on getting those labs checked out hon,and also do what i told you with the pharmacist? go over every single med with them,and i mean sit down and have them check thru ALL the rxing info with you. this IS just part of their job. just write down any specific questions you have before you see him so you wont forget like i do.

you just need to know for certain that everything you are taking togehter is perfectly safe, and doing the required bloodwork that comes along with having to be on certain meRAB too. there are many different meRAB that people have to take that just DO require monitoring of certain body system functions with labs being done accordingly, and depakote is one of them. but with the other meRAB added to the mix too, some of them can just create their own problems with your liver too, that is why this is really an important thing for YOU personally to have done every month. just how long have you been on that depakote?good luck hon, and do please keep me posted. just get the bloodwork done, hopefully everything is within all norms still, but this is what you need to find out. marcia
 
marcia thanks for your kind support im on the following meRAB i dont touch alcholal i promise

depakote 1500 mg once a day at night

abilfy 30mg once a day at night

topamax 150 mg once a day

tizaanidine 4mg 1 2 tabs by both at bedtime 4mmg

soma 350 mg take 1 tab every morning

oxycodone/apap 325 mg tablet

my nuro is awrare of all my meRAB. I see her tommorrow about the rsults with my mom.
 
Thanks marcia:) ive been on depakote 7 years:( its the only thing that works! ): 1500 mg 3 500 mg tabs at night. im going to my dr for spinal inections on wednesday i will tell the dr. than. my seizures have been slightly increasing ):
 
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