Fat Tuesday

Doug Freyburger wrote:


Jesus was a Jew, his understanding of "fasting" was informed by that
fact. Unless you think he spent some time in Tibet or on a UFO:)

Hebrews fast & repent. Both literally and symbolically, giving over a
whole lunar month to it iirc. Analogous to and some claim as the
inspiration for the Islamic Ramadan.

The Christian interpretation is ....more attenuated. Refined to
sophistry allowing some to eat but not others. Dispensations & etc.

What is "food"?

And that from a mediaeval or worse perspective on nutrition.

"In so far as meat and drink are transmuted in us daily into Spiritual
substance, I believe in the Miracle of the Mass."

:)

--
JL
 
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Doug Freyburger wrote:


The fast is from meat and there are days within the season that are
strict fasts. It is shorthand. As for the fish counting, it has to do
with the language canon law was written in, actually. Meat meant land
animal. Technically, frogs, snails and insects are licit for abstention
days.

Regards,
Ranee @ Arabian Knits

"She seeks wool and flax, and works with willing hands." Prov 31:13

http://arabianknits.blogspot.com/
 
In article ,
Doug Freyburger wrote:


Neither the understanding of meat as all food nor Genesis 1:29 have to
do with Lenten dietary rules.

The earliest traditions of the Church included abstaining from meat
and feasting on Fridays to honor the crucifixion. All Fridays. It was
also common to fast on Wednesdays to remember Judas' betrayal of Jesus.
There was a common practice in most places to extend this abstention to
the 40 days (Sundays are not included, as they are always memorials of
the resurrection and the Triduum is a separate fast) leading to the
observance of the Resurrection (which was tied to the Passover). The
monastics made the Fridays during Lent full fasts and held to stricter
rules for abstention during Lent.

Eastern Christian practice is much more like the monastic tradition.
Western Christian practice used to be more like the common lay person's
practice and has recently become something so far from actual sacrifice
or fasting as to be ridiculous. They have taken the stance that there
should be minimums and people may exceed them, rather than setting the
bar high and making exceptions. There is far, far, far more to this
than that little explanation.

Regards,
Ranee @ Arabian Knits

"She seeks wool and flax, and works with willing hands." Prov 31:13

http://arabianknits.blogspot.com/
 
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Ran? at Arabian Knits wrote:

Well, he did "distinguish" himself on RFC a while back for doing a
"Superior Dance" over other posters on the subject of NYC restaurants.


Yeah, on a religious board I'm on, I'm glad that we have SO FAR avoided
the annual threads where conservative evangelical Protestants feel the
need to pass judgement on the numerous Catholic/Orthodox/Anglican posters
for their Lenten disciplines. False binary choices (as above), a poor
understanding of "the big picture" of abstinence/almsgiving/study/service,
and just plain pure-D assholishness (again, as above).


ObFood: Up at our retreat center, "The Bishop's Ranch", all weekend.
It's in the middle of Sonoma County farmland and has fresh, delicious
local/seasonal as much as possible food. I was delighted that I finally
had cash surplus to other requirements sufficient to buy their cookbook,
"The Abundant Table". The previous two times I was up there were right
after I unexpectedly lost jobs.

Lunch today was butternut squash enchiladas, a rice-cheese-veggies
concoction called Fiesta Rice, "Mexican coleslaw" (had jicama), and
guacamole and chips. Lemonade on the table.

The sign on the road promising EGGS turned out to be a bust, though; I
should have tried yesterday afternoon when we went into town for icecream
at the Downtown Bakery and Creamery during our free time, as the shop may
have actually been open during high "tourist time".



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Ranee at Arabian Knits wrote:

I was referring to "Papal Dispensations" that were, at least in the
past, routinely granted to the healthy, rich and powerful Catholics,
with an emphasis on the curia exempting them from the requirement to fast.

But even more than who gets to eat and who does not i find the idea of
what constitutes fasting and what does not of more interest than who is
or is not doing it.

But then i know a couple of people who consider themselves vegetarians
but eat chicken and fish.

And i had one elderly relative, long since deceased, who while a
vegetarian, bought soy products that were manufactured to look and taste
like meat.

"Loma Linda" was the brand name iirc and i can recall soy (tofu) pork
chops & bacon.

http://www.worthingtonfoods.com/brand/worthington/about.shtml
--
JL
 
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"M. JL Esq." wrote:


Citation please. Or is this just something that everyone knows?

A parish priest is permitted to give dispensation to an individual
not to fast. It doesn't have to come from the pope. In the east, it is
decided between the individual at the spiritual father or mother in
accordance with the church's law. In both, it is not seen as scandalous
for someone to be exempt from the fast as the fast is a discipline, not
a matter of dogma.

Regards,
Ranee @ Arabian Knits

"She seeks wool and flax, and works with willing hands." Prov 31:13

http://arabianknits.blogspot.com/
 
In article ,
[email protected] (Charlotte L. Blackmer) wrote:


I'm glad you could get it. That sounds wonderful.


Yum! We're having pseudo-Mexican for dinner tonight: Chile rice
with refried black beans.


Our butcher down the street sells eggs, but it sounds like you have
to be there bright and early to get them before he sells out.

Regards,
Ranee @ Arabian Knits

"She seeks wool and flax, and works with willing hands." Prov 31:13

http://arabianknits.blogspot.com/
 
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