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FoieGrasIsEvil
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We didn't use "WMD" as you claim. WMD's are either nuclear, chemical or biological, or overwhelmingly-sized explosives. This is going to veer into the depleted uranium rounds that we use, of which evidence of their use and subsequent human damage due to some type of radiation exposure is mixed.
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Lute Skywatcher
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You are aware that the video in your link says it's not clear what caused the defects, yes?Link Iraq to the story about the affects of Agent orange in Vietnam ( if you like )
Both tales of woe are synonymous with each other.
basically, the incredible damage we inflict upon foreign nations...
with our approved WMD...
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Zanthor
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We didn't use "WMD" as you claim. WMD's are either nuclear, chemical or biological, or overwhelmingly-sized explosives. This is going to veer into the depleted uranium rounds that we use, of which evidence of their use and subsequent human damage due to some type of radiation exposure is mixed.
they say a cruise missile homing in on their wedding party is a WMD, whether it be equipped with Agent Orange, ( Vietnam ) DU, White Phos, etc etc, Iraq, Afghanistan, ( God only knows what else ) the point of degree of WMD is subjective, luckily something we do not have to experience, otherwise our opinion might be altered slightly, Capeche?
Like, its something we are doing to them, not them to us, yeah, right....why should we care how deformed they get as a result of our actions, right?
what we do is deny it, all that crap in their drinking water, their soil, came from some other 'source', right? definitely not us. why should we pay, right>>>
blah blah blah
yeah, right, for sure
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Lute Skywatcher
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There's a four-year-old report on Rense that leads off withWe didn't use "WMD" as you claim. WMD's are either nuclear, chemical or biological, or overwhelmingly-sized explosives. This is going to veer into the depleted uranium rounds that we use, of which evidence of their use and subsequent human damage due to some type of radiation exposure is mixed.
and supposedly shows Afghani birth defects caused by DU. Thing is, the report leads off with a picture of a Harlequin baby--the victim of a congenital disorder that was identified 50 years before Uranium!Death Made In America
Wondering if your conscience is still anesthetized
Mohammed Daud Miraki, MA, MA, PhD
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Zanthor
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You are aware that the video in your link says it's not clear what caused the defects, yes?
yes, but that is the privilege denial offers.
honest oblivion to what really matters.
they lie deformed, we say, we are innocent.
how convenient for us, unfortunate for them, say what?
we say
it was not us, honest officer.
BTW
there are many other sources currently exploring the issues of our WMD damage we have thus far caused.
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Lute Skywatcher
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Oh, I see. You don't really want thoughts, you just want to rant about "but they're guilty of all this other crap!"yes, but that is the privilege denial offers.
honest oblivion to what really matters.
they lie deformed, we say, we are innocent.
how convenient for us, unfortunate for them, say what?
we say
it was not us, honest officer.
BTW
there are many other sources currently exploring the issues of our WMD damage we have thus far caused.
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PunditLisa
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This 'other crap' you mention
please define for me just what this is,
so i can tell just how much you have washed your blood stained hands.
no offense, just curious is all.
If you're going to try and channel Dr. Seuss, you must learn to rhyme!
This 'other crap' you mention
please define just what this is
Then wipe your blood-stain hands;
and deny it was your biz.
Okay, that was more like a bad rap, but you get the drift.
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Really Not All That Bright
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A noob with a 2003 join date? That's a new one.
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Zanthor
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Oh, I see. You don't really want thoughts, you just want to rant about "but they're guilty of all this other crap!"
no what i hoped for was that we would own up to what we have done, still do...
This ' other crap' you mention
please define for me just what this is, so i can tell just how much you have washed your blood stained hands.
no offense, just curious is all.
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Todderbob
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You want me to feel guilty, because im an American, because of what America has done, right?no what i hoped for was that we would own up to what we have done, still do...
This ' other crap' you mention
please define for me just what this is, so i can tell just how much you have washed your blood stained hands.
no offense, just curious is all.
Why?
First, why should I feel guilty about what the USA did in vietnam? I acknowledge that the US undertook some very questionable, perhaps even morally incorrect act actions. Why should I feel guilt about it?
And you have yet to show one thing that the US is responsible for, other than the ridiculous amount of human suffering that war brings -- and you haven't even established that the US is responsible for that -- other than innuendo.
Oh, and try typing with moderately correct punctuation, so I don't have to bust out a first grader-to-english dictionary to understand you and your post, and I'm sure you'll come across as more convincing.
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Zanthor
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I'd agree to be so specific when research is still on going is extremely unhelpful. The truth is 'we' don't know what combination of weaponry caused the following:
a survey showing a four-fold increase in all cancers and a 12-fold increase in childhood cancer in under-14s. Infant mortality in the city is more than four times higher than in neighbouring Jordan and eight times higher than in Kuwait.Toxic legacy of US assault on Fallujah 'worse than Hiroshima'Dr Chris Busby, a visiting professor at the University of Ulster and one of the authors of the survey of 4,800 individuals in Fallujah, said it is difficult to pin down the exact cause of the cancers and birth defects. He added that "to produce an effect like this, some very major mutagenic exposure must have occurred in 2004 when the attacks happened".
Researchers found a 38-fold increase in leukaemia, a ten-fold increase in female breast cancer and significant increases in lymphoma and brain tumours in adults. At Hiroshima survivors showed a 17-fold increase in leukaemia, but in Fallujah Dr Busby says what is striking is not only the greater prevalence of cancer but the speed with which it was affecting people.
Of particular significance was the finding that the sex ratio between newborn boys and girls had changed. In a normal population this is 1,050 boys born to 1,000 girls, but for those born from 2005 there was an 18 per cent drop in male births, so the ratio was 850 males to 1,000 females. The sex-ratio is an indicator of genetic damage that affects boys more than girls. A similar change in the sex-ratio was discovered after Hiroshima.
thank you sir,
this article you quoted, http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/toxic-legacy-of-us-assault-on-fallujah-worse-than-hiroshima-2034065.html is almost identical to the original i viewed near one week ago., but it was from one of their sources,
i forget which exactly, i view so many, lost track.
Must be the acid 1960's soaked brain cells huh?
Thing that struck me most is that the deformed Children abnormalities have skyrocketed these past few years, unknown causes..
the debate was meant to be,
what is the cause, why is it so..who is at fault.
was it us? what are we going to do about it?
simple questions really..
Much as news of this Iraq travesty coincided with Clintons visit to Vietnam, when she was presented with evidence of Agent Orange deformed babies.
she said she would 'look into it' ( sic )
My question was, just how many decades does it take to 'look into it'
answer, much like the present response in this thread
basically, stonewalling, whitewash, applied in liberal doeses, as usual.
it was not us, it is someone else.
i say BS.
What say you?
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Dissonance
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Trying to parse this into English, you seem to be saying that a WMD doesn't have to actually be a nuclear, biological or chemical weapon; it just has to be a weapon. This being the case, I am forced to revise my opinion on the necessity and justness of the war. Invading Iraq was completely justified and it turns out Bush was right after all; we found WMDs all over the place in Iraq!they say a cruise missile homing in on their wedding party is a WMD, whether it be equipped with Agent Orange, ( Vietnam ) DU, White Phos, etc etc, Iraq, Afghanistan, ( God only knows what else ) the point of degree of WMD is subjective, luckily something we do not have to experience, otherwise our opinion might be altered slightly, Capeche?
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Lute Skywatcher
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What, exactly, does this have to do with those "Fallujah children's 'genetic damage'"?no what i hoped for was that we would own up to what we have done, still do...
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Zanthor
Guest
You want me to feel guilty, because im an American, because of what America has done, right?
Why?
First, why should I feel guilty about what the USA did in vietnam? I acknowledge that the US undertook some very questionable, perhaps even morally incorrect act actions. Why should I feel guilt about it?
And you have yet to show one thing that the US is responsible for, other than the ridiculous amount of human suffering that war brings -- and you haven't even established that the US is responsible for that -- other than innuendo.
Oh, and try typing with moderately correct punctuation, so I don't have to bust out a first grader-to-english dictionary to understand you and your post, and I'm sure you'll come across as more convincing.
do you think that what you fell matters/ or that i care what you feel?
personal feelings should only prompt accountability,
with accountability comes ownership of past mistakes, hopefully infers that we will not repeat them.
so far i have seen no evidence to suggest we have learnt one dammed thing.
we still keep annihilating foreign countries with god knows what WMD then saying, its all their fault.
and I say, Crap...
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Zanthor
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This 'other crap' you mention
please define for me just what this is,
so i can tell just how much you have washed your blood stained hands.
no offense, just curious is all.
If you're going to try and channel Dr. Seuss, you must learn to rhyme!
This 'other crap' you mention
please define just what this is
Then wipe your blood-stain hands;
and deny it was your biz.
Okay, that was more like a bad rap, but you get the drift.
Nope, does not have to rhyme.
That is in fact the worse thing one can do.
to insist on rhyme indicates you accept you must conform to what is acceptable, to some token transient majorities current viewpoint of what is and what is not acceptable...
You don't see this huh?
Basically, where is the freedom in conforming?
the temporary illusion of acceptance by the deaden masses?
Sell your Soul that cheap huh?
This is what the 60's was supposed to be about.
Freedom, from acceptance.
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Todderbob
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What you have isn't freedom from acceptance, it's freedom from intelligence.This 'other crap' you mention
please define for me just what this is,
so i can tell just how much you have washed your blood stained hands.
no offense, just curious is all.
If you're going to try and channel Dr. Seuss, you must learn to rhyme!
This 'other crap' you mention
please define just what this is
Then wipe your blood-stain hands;
and deny it was your biz.
Okay, that was more like a bad rap, but you get the drift.
Nope, does not have to rhyme.
That is in fact the worse thing one can do.
to insist on rhyme indicates you accept you must conform to what is acceptable, to some token transient majorities current viewpoint of what is and what is not acceptable...
You don't see this huh?
Basically, where is the freedom in conforming?
the temporary illusion of acceptance by the deaden masses?
Sell your Soul that cheap huh?
This is what the 60's was supposed to be about.
Freedom, from acceptance.
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Zanthor
Guest
Trying to parse this into English, you seem to be saying that a WMD doesn't have to actually be a nuclear, biological or chemical weapon; it just has to be a weapon. This being the case, I am forced to revise my opinion on the necessity and justness of the war. Invading Iraq was completely justified and it turns out Bush was right after all; we found WMDs all over the place in Iraq!
No, again you see it all from your own self POV,
what i said was, we lay waste to them with 'our' WMD,
to them, we are Destroyers, of them
nothing more, nothing less.
Want to try address how come Agent Orange and God knows what in Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan causes them to be born so horribly deformed?
instead of lamely attacking me for trying to highlight our arrogance?>
Searching here, all i see is head in sand, it was not us that wasted them...
I say, Bullshit
do you think that what you fell matters/ or that i care what you feel?
If no one else's opinion matters, why did you post here? Why not just write your OP on a piece of paper and keep it in your pocket?
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Zanthor
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If no one else's opinion matters, why did you post here? Why not just write your OP on a piece of paper and keep it in your pocket?
here again, its from self POV as if that is all that matters.
What I said was, if you bothered to look beyond self, POV was that personal feelings are only useful in causing one to be prompted to Empathy.
IE. Seeing the situation from 'Their' POV. ( if you can )
otherwise its just all self glorification, justification etc etc etc.
self perpetuating lies of vain gloriousness.
what i was saying was our self rightousness, as we lay waste to foreign nations with God knows what is seriously flawed.
They are being born with serious defects.
The thread is, are we responsible?
Comprehende?
I think yes, convince me otherwise if you can. cos i will doubt you, think we are lying with butt cheeks squeezed so tight not one $US will come out to help them,
no expense spared to waste them tho, make them bleed some more...
Why exactly again?