Evolution versus Creationism

You just can't keep a good Creationist down. The argument from total ignorance never goes away:



Note that Creationists are ignorant of taxonomy. Taxonomy classifies organisms on many levels, the species being the most basic, most closely related, and most recently evolved. There are higher levels of classification, such as families, orders and phyla.

What the author of that quoted piece of nonsense is complaining about is the alleged lack of fossil transitionals between species, which is pretty comic, because that's an example of "microevolution" which even Creationists aren't dumb enough to deny. It's one tiny step beyond the difference between great danes and chihuahuas. So on the one hand, Creationists tell us that microevolution is so obvious even they accept it; on the other, they tell us there is no fossil evidence for microevolution! One hand knoweth not what the other hand doeth.

The author is completely ignorant of the fact that there are many fossil intermediates known between taxons higher than species. Ironically so, because the example he claims doesn't exist is actually well documented: the transition between fish and tetrapoRAB is well represented by many intermediates, where fins are clearly evolving into legs.

Maybe Archie should Goggle Tiktaalik. It's just the latest of several intermediates, found where evolutionary scientists predicted it would be found.

But no, he claims Tiktaalik doesn't and can't exist, so it must be another hoax by those joker scientists. Like the 1968 lunar landing.

Creationists :xclown:
 
So finding a Planet that has existed in an ever expanding 14 Billion Year old Universe that has the components that are conducive for life to evolve, yet have not evolved any life at all, is beneficial to your argument? In what muddled way of thinking does that make any sense at all?

I mean, if we are a part of the same Universe where everything in it started at the same time, so why in all of that time would planets that have had the same time and opportunities to evolve life spontaneously as ours allegedly has, didn't?

If the concept of evolution is rational and realistic then with all of the untold millions of Planets out there, it is irrational not to have at least one other that has evolved life of some form?

As to your judgment of me as one of the religious Pharisees Jesus would hate if He was here. You are free to judge me as you wish but you don't even know my heart so I wont worry about your condemnation. You see I too hate religion and know that the religious have been the curse of this World. It is by Grace that I have been saved and not by works so that I should not boast at what I accomplished but by what Jesus accomplished on Calvary's Cross for me.

But you wouldn't understand or appreciate any of that would you. You're too sophisticated to believe such myths. Then tell me why you would speak for Jesus and condemn me for a God you don't even believe exists? More of your hypocritical contradictions? Again, why am I not surprised at all?
 
Well, a simple look at Bush will show us that he is the "missing link". :xgood:

Seriously though, yes, I AM mesmerized by the fact that present-day monkeys and apes are relatives of ours and that we evolved from a common ancestor - I am mesmerised, mainly because of how incredible the process of evolution is (and my personal belief is that God created us through the instrument of evolution, and no, we are not his end products or the pinnacle of this creation through several billion years of evolution, we are just one stop on the endless flow of evolution).

And the "pretty pictures" I was referring to was a hoax that good old gullible Archie completely fell for - one that showed pictures of Civil War era men holding a pteranodon that they supposedly had killed: it ended up being a prop for a TV show, something that was known and admitted, and yet he still fell for it, and when we pointed it out, he never acknowledged the fact that it was a hoax.
 
Archie ignores those who do debate facts and issues and kick his ass. That's why he had me on ignore. Now he's back, and I'm giving him even less leeway.
 
Um, well...Archie, Jesus man...read a book! Everything did not start at the same time. This is, like, 5th grade material here. Planets, solar systems, stars, etc. are continually being created and destroyed.

And I have already answered this question. Your religion is teleologically motivated. God has a PURPOSE. For the love of an IQ above 45, you even used the word spontaneously. Evolution is a matrix of laws and matter acting within those laws. So if gases on a planet aren't sufficient to create an atmosphere, no life. If it's too far from the sun, no life. Chance. It is fundamental.




Archie, name me 15 planets.



Tell me why you're on a debate board, typified by ration and logic, peddling a magical, untethered, immalleable belief system that always, when pressed, enRAB with you essentially saying "Well, because I was told that."



To make a long story short Archie, there are a few hundred people here besides you. I'm not very old but I have learned a few things about people like you, the best way to deal with you is to ignore you.

The most important thing to you is attention. You thrive on it.

I will no longer provide it. In fact, I humbly ask that everyone does. Pretend like Archie's posts are an ad you have to scroll past.
 
Lin LL, Little JW. 1988. Isolation and characterization of noncleavable (Ind−) mutants of the lexA repressor of Escherichia coli K-12. J Bacteriol. 170:2163
 
so what exactly is it that we cant see? and what exactly is it youre trying to tell us? you are talking about people being decieved and not seeing the truth, but youre not articulating what truth you are referring to, which appartently you claim to have
 
let me think, NO! So what if that's how?
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And how was it created? Hmm..., when a guy who was supposed to be a preacher but diluted himself into thinking that there is no God. He made himself an antagonist!

I wonder how one "dilutes" oneself. HMMM?
You ask me how I can dilute myself? How can you? Anyway, if you are a Christian, you have to believe everything in the Bible. You may not say that there is no god but in your heart, you are! I bet that you think God is a God that will accept us no matter what! He isn't! There are conditions for His love! WE have to get saved! WE have to follow His commandments! And most of all, YOU HAVE TO BELIEVE THAT HE ALONE CREATED EVERYTHING! A true Christian, even if you are a geologist, has to believe that the Bible is true! That means believing that God created the Heavens and the earth! Why don't any of you at least try to read it! Try to study and disprove the Bible then, if it isn't the true, and inherrent word of God! Oh yeah, and try to study Creation and disprove it! You probably need to! Since you clearly don't know anything good about it! Now about relations. Quote:
Originally Posted by CftxP
But I mean, look at an ape, do you really want to be related to that?

Look at Hitler, Pol Pot, Stalin, Cain, Lot (the incest dude), etc. - do you really want to be related to THEM?
Even if evolution was true, we'd still be related to them! Quote:
Originally Posted by CftxP
I'm not calling you fools, I know you are smart people!

How white of you.

How white of you! Say something better! FYI, I ain't allowed to call you a fool!

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I recommend reading about prophecy,

However, some prophecies in the bible ever came true. Tyre for instance (if I remember correctly)

You know, maybe this is a prophecy for after the tribulation. Maybe it won't happen unitil the rapture. Try knowing what you're talking about before you say it!

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it is time to be HONEST!

Not something creationists are known for.

Just because they aren't, doesn't mean all of them are! Maybe we are honest, but you're so confused that you can't even see it!

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You secularists are doing the same thing! You're fooling yourselves into thinking that evolution, or as I like to call it, "evilution" is true!

[sarcasm]You creationists are doing the same thing! You're fooling yourselves into thinking that creationism, or as I like to call it, "cretinism" is true! (despite overwhelming scientific evidence to the contrary)[/sarcasm]

At least we have our dignity, you evolutionists had to petition and annoy the U.S. government just to remove God from schools. Now you're making people in public schools agnostics because you don't want Creation to be taught! And don't be sayin' that Creation is for the rich, the only reason for that is because you've made the government think that Creation is evil! That's why Christian Schools are private, because they're not funded by the government! Therefore, Christian schools depend on tuition fees to survive! They can't do this stuff for free, they aren't funded!

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And if you want to prove your point, stop saying "there is no God" everytime you try to disprove Creation!

Funny, as a Christian that accepts the fact of evolution, I never say "there is no god". I believe that God started the universe and let it change and made life through the complicated, intricate, beautifully complex process of evolution.
First of all, evolution is just a theory based on mutation, natural selection, and other "facts" on what you call "science". Second of all, your statement contradicts the one you said before!
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I mean, how can there be a creation with no creator?

Wait right here - can you show us that there IS a "creation"?
Oh, and let's twist it around a bit for you - How can their be a creator without someone who creates HIM, and how can that creator be if no one creates him, etc.

No wonder you evolutionists are known for twisting facts! And besides, how can there be a computer w/out a creator? There can't be! Since we know who creates computers, why can't an almighty being create him? As for who created God, how can you evolutionists believe that 2 forces collided with each other? How can those 2 forces exist, better yet, collide? (I'm not talking about you shadowpikachu, but are you saved?) Try showing me evidence that evolution is true!

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The God Christians believe in does have the right to hate us, but yet, if He wasn't a merciful God, then He wouldn't give us hope! Quit asking "if God was so great, then why would this and that happen" and start looking @ the solution! The reason for this is because man sinned (Genesis 3, a chpt. in the book of the Bible). Sin brought horrible things into the world! If He isn't real, then that means that the disciples were lying this whole time! But, they were honest people! They couldn't live w/ themselves if they were lying this whole time! And even if they did, how would a belief last for so long?

I don't think preaching to everyone will really get you anywhere.

Well, too bad, if you were really a Christian, you'd probably be doing this! If you were a Christian, you'd read the Bible! A true Christian knows that He is endangered of going to Hell unless first, being saved. So now, that Christian is saved. A Christian neeRAB to have compassion for others. Jesus Christ didn't come here on earth to condemn it, He did that so He could save it! (John 3:17) If you were a Christian, you wouldn't be agreeing that God made the matter that evolved itself. If you must know, matter by itself will degenerate, not regenerate! It's like saying the watchmaker makes a watch and leaves it alone! What happens to the watch, it breaks down!

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And you'd hate to hear me say this but the founders of science were Christians! Issac Newton, known for discovering gravity, is one example.

Your point?

You'd hate to hear me say this, but many of the early geologists were Christians (I am a Christian and a geologist in fact) that set out to try to find evidence for the Noachian Deluge, but ended up showing that the evidence is jst the opposite, and that there is no evidence the Noachian Deluge ever happened.


A quote from bible.ca
"A common rule for understanding any book, including the Bible, is that its language is to be accepted as being literal unless there is evidence to the contrary. There is not the slightest evidence that the Genesis account should be accepted as only a figurative story. It is, on the contrary, supported by numerous similar scriptures in the New Testament, such as I Timothy 2:13, Romans 5:12-14; I Corinthians 15:22; Luke 3:23-38; Mark 10:6. But if we choose to take the position that the Genesis account is figurative even without evidence, then we must wrestle with the question, when do the statements of the Bible become accurate and real? If Adam was not literally a real person, was Noah real? was Abraham? was Moses? was Christ? The theory of theistic evolution is a dead end road to a shattered faith."

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Please, just try to read the Bible sometime in your life! Please try to read the whole book! It's a true blessing!

Done it. Many, many times. Many different versions. Many of the books that were cut out over the years according to each person's agenda at the time (starting with the council of Nicea).

Yeah, but do you have a through knowledge of it? You may have read it, but did you take it seriously? Do you have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ?

let me think, NO! So what if that's how?
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Originally Posted by CftxP
And how was it created? Hmm..., when a guy who was supposed to be a preacher but diluted himself into thinking that there is no God. He made himself an antagonist!

I wonder how one "dilutes" oneself. HMMM?
You ask me how I can dilute myself? How can you? Anyway, if you are a Christian, you have to believe everything in the Bible. You may not say that there is no god but in your heart, you are! I bet that you think God is a God that will accept us no matter what! He isn't! There are conditions for His love! WE have to get saved! WE have to follow His commandments! And most of all, YOU HAVE TO BELIEVE THAT HE ALONE CREATED EVERYTHING! A true Christian, even if you are a geologist, has to believe that the Bible is true! That means believing that God created the Heavens and the earth! Why don't any of you at least try to read it! Try to study and disprove the Bible then, if it isn't the true, and inherrent word of God! Oh yeah, and try to study Creation and disprove it! You probably need to! Since you clearly don't know anything good about it! Now about relations. Quote:
Originally Posted by CftxP
But I mean, look at an ape, do you really want to be related to that?

Look at Hitler, Pol Pot, Stalin, Cain, Lot (the incest dude), etc. - do you really want to be related to THEM?
Even if evolution was true, we'd still be related to them! Quote:
Originally Posted by CftxP
I'm not calling you fools, I know you are smart people!

How white of you.

How white of you! Say something better! And for your info, I ain't allowed to call you a fool!

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Originally Posted by CftxP
I recommend reading about prophecy,

However, some prophecies in the bible ever came true. Tyre for instance (if I remember correctly)

You know, maybe this is a prophecy for after the tribulation. Maybe it won't happen unitil the rapture. Try knowing what you're talking about before you say it!

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can you imagine, the same things written in the Bible is happening today!


Ah, so Israelites are still commiting genocide and ethnic cleansing (except for the virgin women - gotta keep them as sex slaves). Better tell the UN that.

I said the same things, NOT ALL THINGS! Besides, if it weren't for the Israelites, you couldn't have made a better argument! SounRAB like you have a Bible, try reading it (By reading I don't mean glancing)!

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it is time to be HONEST!

Not something creationists are known for.

Just because they aren't, doesn't mean all of them aren't! Maybe we are honest, but you're so confused that you can't even see it!

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Originally Posted by CftxP
You secularists are doing the same thing! You're fooling yourselves into thinking that evolution, or as I like to call it, "evilution" is true!

[sarcasm]You creationists are doing the same thing! You're fooling yourselves into thinking that creationism, or as I like to call it, "cretinism" is true! (despite overwhelming scientific evidence to the contrary)[/sarcasm]

At least we have our dignity, you evolutionists had to petition and annoy the U.S. government just to remove God from schools. Now you're making people in public schools agnostics because you don't want Creation to be taught! And don't be sayin' that Creation is for the rich, the only reason for that is because you've made the government think that Creation is evil! That's why Christian Schools are private, because they're not funded by the government! Therefore, Christian schools depend on tuition fees to survive! They can't do this stuff for free, they aren't funded!

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And if you want to prove your point, stop saying "there is no God" everytime you try to disprove Creation!

Funny, as a Christian that accepts the fact of evolution, I never say "there is no god". I believe that God started the universe and let it change and made life through the complicated, intricate, beautifully complex process of evolution.
First of all, evolution is just a theory based on mutation, natural selection, and other "facts" on what you call "science". Second of all, your statement contradicts the one you said before!
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I mean, how can there be a creation with no creator?

Wait right here - can you show us that there IS a "creation"?
Oh, and let's twist it around a bit for you - How can their be a creator without someone who creates HIM, and how can that creator be if no one creates him, etc.

No wonder you evolutionists are known for twisting facts! And besides, how can there be a computer w/out a creator? There can't be! Since we know who creates computers, why can't an almighty being create him? As for who created God, how can you evolutionists believe that 2 forces collided with each other? How can those 2 forces exist, better yet, collide? (I'm not talking about you shadowpikachu, but are you saved?)

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Originally Posted by CftxP
The God Christians believe in does have the right to hate us, but yet, if He wasn't a merciful God, then He wouldn't give us hope! Quit asking "if God was so great, then why would this and that happen" and start looking @ the solution! The reason for this is because man sinned (Genesis 3, a chpt. in the book of the Bible). Sin brought horrible things into the world! If He isn't real, then that means that the disciples were lying this whole time! But, they were honest people! They couldn't live w/ themselves if they were lying this whole time! And even if they did, how would a belief last for so long?

I don't think preaching to everyone will really get you anywhere.

Well, too bad, if you were really a Christian, you'd probably be doing this! If you were a Christian, you'd read the Bible! A true Christian knows that He is endangered of going to Hell unless first, being saved. So now, that Christian is saved. A Christian neeRAB to have compassion for others. Jesus Christ didn't come here on earth to condemn it, He did that so He could save it! (John 3:17) If you were a Christian, you wouldn't be agreeing that God made the matter that evolved itself. If you must know, matter by itself will degenerate, not regenerate! It's like saying the watchmaker makes a watch and leaves it alone! What happens to the watch, it breaks down!

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Originally Posted by CftxP
And you'd hate to hear me say this but the founders of science were Christians! Issac Newton, known for discovering gravity, is one example.

Your point?

You'd hate to hear me say this, but many of the early geologists were Christians (I am a Christian and a geologist in fact) that set out to try to find evidence for the Noachian Deluge, but ended up showing that the evidence is jst the opposite, and that there is no evidence the Noachian Deluge ever happened.

Just read this answersingenesis.org/creation/v21/i1/ray.asp! And your point is?

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Please, just try to read the Bible sometime in your life! Please try to read the whole book! It's a true blessing!

Done it. Many, many times. Many different versions. Many of the books that were cut out over the years according to each person's agenda at the time (starting with the council of Nicea).

Yeah, but do you have a through knowledge of it? You may have read it, but did you take it seriously? Do you have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ?

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it is time to be HONEST! When was this theory of evolution created? Hmm..., oh yeah, like in the 1800's! And how was it created? Hmm..., when a guy who was supposed to be a preacher but diluted himself into thinking that there is no God. He made himself an antagonist! You secularists are doing the same thing! You're fooling yourselves into thinking that evolution, or as I like to call it, "evilution" is true! This is only happening because you aren't taking Creation into consideration, evolution's all you've been taught! If you only once tried to devote as much time on Creation as you do for evolution, you'll see that there is no possible way that evolution is true! I mean, how can there be a creation with no creator? And if you want to prove your point, stop saying "there is no God" everytime you try to disprove Creation! Try reading the Bible, I mean, it won't kill you just to read it! And no offense but all you've proven is that the only type evolution that's true is the evolution of the agnostics. I'm not calling you fools, I know you are smart people! But I mean, look at an ape, do you really want to be related to that? The God Christians believe in does have the right to hate us, but yet, if He wasn't a merciful God, then He wouldn't give us hope! Quit asking "if God was so great, then why would this and that happen" and start looking @ the solution! The reason for this is because man sinned (Genesis 3, a chpt. in the book of the Bible). Sin brought horrible things into the world! If He isn't real, then that means that the disciples were lying this whole time! But, they were honest people! They couldn't live w/ themselves if they were lying this whole time! And even if they did, how would a belief last for so long? And you'd hate to hear me say this but the founders of science were Christians! Issac Newton, known for discovering gravity, is one example. Please, just try to read the Bible sometime in your life! Please try to read the whole book! It's a true blessing! I recommend reading about prophecy, can you imagine, the same things written in the Bible is happening today!


Here's a hint: did you ever think that maybe reading the bible is one of the things that led people to be atheists?

I've never taken that into consideration but all I know is that if that's why, then they probably did that because they didn't want to bow down to the Lord God Almighty and they didn't want to follow God's rules. So they're endangering themselves to be cast into the lake of fire by being disobedient to God. It's easy to say that you're a Christian but at heart, you aren't. And on the day of Judgement, God will judge you on what you did here on earth and you will regret renouncing God's existence and losing all hope.
 
How can I what? You're the one that was saying someone was "diluting" themselves.

But you don't have to believe everything in a literal way. Nor do you really have to blieve every tidbit in the bible, as it was written by imperfect man, and the books in each version were chosen by imperfect man, etc.

So, you have more of a problem being related to your fellow primates, than you do being related to murderers, mass murderers, etc.


Problem? I can say whatever I darn well please, mister high-and-mighty.

Nope, sorry,the bible actually gave a timeline, and said exactly who was going to destroy Tyre - never happened: Old King Neb never managed to enter the city.

Seems Ezekial was rather off on his prophecies - not only did he say that Tyre would be utterly destroyed by King Nebuchadnezzar and never be rebuilt or inhabited again (hint: It still exists today), he also made a prophecy that our good friend Nebuchadnezzar would attack Egypt and leave it utterly desolate for a period of 40 years, during which no foot of man or beast would pass through it (chapter 20). Never happened.

Oh, I do - I have spent considerable time on prophecy in the Bible. With your latest post it seems you should know what you're talking about.


If I had a dime for every time I saw an honest creationist, I'd have, maybe, 50 cents at the most. That's out of the hundreRAB of creaionists I've run into on this and other boarRAB, and in real life. As I said, honesty isn't something creationists are known for (Hovind, etc.)


God can be in school all you want - as long as it's in either a comparative religion class, or in a private school. Anything else is in conflict with the first Amendment - you see, no establishment of religion and all that.

BTW, I think you're calling the kettle black - or haven't you noticed that you creationists(AKA IDists) are constantly "petition[ing] and annoy[ing] the U.S. government just to put your God into schools"?


Both because it has no place in public schools, and because there is not one shred of evidence that creationism is true.

No one had made the government think "creation" is evil. Just that it is unfounded and has no place in a science class, and no place being fuded by the governmenr - again, seperation of church and state.

ANd that's why Muslim, Jewish, JW, Mormon, etc. schools are private as well. If you want your God taught in schools, we'll have to let every other deity be taught as well - equally. But I'm sure you wouldn't like that, would you?

Your point being? Besides the tax break the Church gets, you think the Government should fund Christian schools?

Have you no respect for the founders of this country or the Constitution/Bill of Rights? You'd have America become a theocratic state, wouldn't you?

Ah, the "just a theory" "argument". Sorry bud, but Evolution is both a fact and a theory. Evolution itself is a fact. The Theory of evolution is a theory used to explain the visible facts of evolution, and to give the best explanation of the process through which evolution works.

See, you have a problem in that you are using the layman's definition of theory. In science, a theory canot be a fact, as a theory is an EXPLANATION OF THE FACTS.

How so?
I think you misspelled here - where you said "evolutionists" you meant to put "creationist"

I'm not really sure what you're talking about here. "2 forces collided"? And did what? What are you even talking about?

Here's a start. Educate yourself a bit before you open yourtrap. http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/


Ah, the No True Scotsman fallacy. Knew that was coming soon.

BTW, I DO read the Bible.


So, in this we pretty much "proved" the existence of the Greek, Roman, Hindu, etc. GoRAB existed. After all, all those books should be taken literally, right? The Iliad and the Odyssey should be taken literaly, right? The Qur'an should be tken literally, right?

As to the questions at the end, no, Noah the person wasn't real. The flood myth was adopted from Babylonian myths.

Don't know about Abraham.

No, Moses wasn't real - again, taken from a Babylonian myth.

Yes, Jesus was real.



Of course! Have you?

Yes, Do you?
 
You are an embarrassment to H. sapiens. I was going to jokingly call you a Neanderthal, but that is an insult to H. neanderthalensis as well.

That is simply not true. There are hundreRAB of Neanderthal specimens that have been identified with many more hundreRAB of bones found.
Did you bother to check more than one source as your authority?
 
It's true that you haven't specifically used evolution as an argument to attack Creationism, but the points you made are all found in evo as reasons why evo is true, allegedly.

You see, here is the problem in reality with this debate. I admit that the Creation Story in the bible doesn't answer every question I as a modern man has regarding things like the Ice Age etc... But what causes so much consternation on my part is the constant claims by the proponents of evolution that it as a science DOES answer these questions without doubt. As if it is already a proven fact that only remains to be accepted by the ignorant masses of creationists out there that refuse to accept reality.

If you read the responses to me by the atheists around here, you can't help but see that they're stating that position precisely and proclaiming my ignorance as if only a moron wouldn't swallow the garbage of evo hook line and sinker. If evolutionists would admit that it is an unproven theory that is impossible to verify and confirm as we are as yet totally incapable of scientifically confirming or verifying the actual age of the UNIVERSE, the EARTH or when this so called first LIFE appeared from the alleged and theorized PRIMORDIAL OOZE that is suspected to have led to the spontaneous explosion of life that has accidently and randomly led to the World we inhabit today, with only one intelligent species of life which possesses the creativity that is only evident in Humanity.

It boggles the mind that of the uncountable species and types of life that has allegedly evolved, according to evolution, since that beginning some 4 Billion years ago, that ONLY HUMANITY has evolved to the level that we have. There is no practical reason if evolution is real and true that when every species of life has grown up since the beginning in the same ecosystem, with the same basic social, hunting, environmental, predatory and natural pressures forcing us to evolve or die off, that only Humanity has evolved to this level.

It is reasonable at the very least that those animals who are at the top of the food chain in their respective groups should have evolved to be competitive with Humanity at the top of the proverbial food chain as only Man has attained. Of course the evos can't answer these questions to my satisfaction, nor do they even think they are valid questions to be asked. So it isn't me who is in denial as I am asking hard questions that deserve an answer.

I readily admit that Creationism doesn't answer ever question I have in the bible. But because of my personal and very real relationship with the living God; because I know and experience the indwelling of His Holy Spirit within me each and every day of my life, then accepting that I don't know all the answers now but trusting that because my God is real and with me as a personal and loving Father, then I know these questions will be answered in His perfect time. And I can wait to know the REAL and TRUE answers to all of lifes questions.

History of life on Earth is largely microbial

Harvard Museum of Natural History exhibit takes life back to tiny roots

By Alvin Powell
Harvard News Office

Earth's first life appeared early in the planet's history, nearly 4 billion years ago, when primitive bacteria appeared in sulfurous oceans under poisonous skies.

Full of carbon dioxide and nitrogen, with some additional hydrogen, water vapor, and perhaps a bit of methane, it would be billions of years before the air would be acceptable to today's oxygen breathers.

And we all have bacteria to thank.

It was bacteria that gave life its initial foothold, and it was bacteria by the trillions that engineered the planet for our use, taking in carbon dioxide and giving off oxygen, day in and day out for billions of years until there was enough oxygen in the atmosphere to support larger life.​

If every evolutionists wants to be honest with himself, he must admit that the presumptions made above are based totally on interpretations that cannot be proven at all in any reliable way. It takes much more faith to believe that we can tell what happened 4 billion years ago than to believe in the Creation Story.
 
Only with carbon-14. Learn how to read. There are plenty of methoRAB that go farther back.


Wrong. There will be C14 left, but the levels will be so low that factors contributing to uncertainty make those values unreliable.


Not necessarily. It was just explained that C14 is produced by neutron capture. Even ancient carbon has "background" levels of C14.


This statement has a footnote but no source. I call shenanigans.


Unless Archie thinks that there were previous industrial revolutions, this isn't a problem. This would only affect samples that were alive after 1850, in which case they would be a bit young to test with C14.
In other worRAB, AiG is grasping at straws and trying to come up with anything that sounRAB good, even if it's complete and total bunk.


OH DEAR GOD! Something from 50 years ago might appear to be from 48 years ago! The whole thing must be a hoax!
Do you get off on bull or what, Archie? We'll have to worry about this in a couple thousand years, but by then we'll have written recorRAB that haven't been destroyed by the church.


Lie. Anomalies are rare, and most are caused by incorrect sampling methoRAB. When testing materials believed to be an appropriate age, C14 testing is used.


Lie.


Yes, this causes a slight variation. But this is dealt with by the "calibration" described in my previous link.


Lie. The field fluctuates and reverses over thousanRAB of years.


Lie. There was no flood. Duh.


Even if this were true, the "calibration" would take care of it. Oops.


Even if this were significant (which neither AiG nor Archie have shown to be true), "calibration" would take care of it.


But not for any scientific reason: they want the "oldest" dates to correspond to the "oldest" dates they believe actually happened. If they did this for anything else, like uranium or strontium, they'd be wanting the earth to be... 4.6 billion years old.


If this were a significant factor, the "calibration" would correct for it.


The funniest part is that they don't want to change the stuff that corresponRAB to 2000 years ago. They only want to change part of the calibration. They're epitomizing the absolute crock of "fitting the data to the theory," which is the cardinal sin in science. This is why creationism isn't science.


Dating with isochrons addresses these "concerns."


There is abundant evidence that AiG is full of ####. Check out Dalrymple's data for more.
 
First of all, my God is the God of Israel. Yahweh is the Creator of all that is and Jesus who is the stone that the builder (Israel) rejected, became the cornerstone of our faith. God simply fulfilled His promises to Israel to send the Messiah which they promptly rejected as a heretic. So When the invited guests rejected GoRAB invitation for salvation He invited those who were previously relegated to the outer darkness as heathens and pagans, the Gentiles of the World. And they/we accepted it and the label of Christians was adopted and applied to us.

But Christianity is nothing more than the completed plan of God for salvation for the World. Gentile and Jew alike.
 
Indeed it would seem logically consistent to think so. The problem is that we presently lack technology equal to the task of answering the question. Of course even if we knew for sure that no other planet had life it still wouldn't argue for the existence of a deity or the supernatural in general.
 
What always amuses me is how Creationists can believe that complexity between two objects of equal size and mass effects their rates of descent in a fluid. Or that a more complex organism that is both larger and heavier will sink slower then a tiny, primitive, light organism.

It is as if they've never dropped anything into water and watched it sink.

A 2 ton mammoth will sink slower then a 5 oz early Devonian amphibian.

RIGHT.....
 
Unless ? Wrong... The oRABpring inherits the traits from the combined genes of its parents just as children inherit unique traits from parents who alone don't have those traits at all. And I use the term parents loosely for the bacteria, but accurately as an evolutionist link that accurately defines evo as you do defines the process that way. At the very least, if you deny what i am saying then you must agree with my long standing assertion that evo contradicts itself at every turn. So either way you must concede to the flaws and inconsistencies in it as a belief system and as a science.
 
My experience with that approach is a empty thread. Creationists do not and cannot prove their belief is true. Supersport admitted to me that he cannot prove his belief to be true. He knows this. Yet he still tries the if not A, therefore B, ignore C through Z.

And you'll notice that Arch hasn't tried to prove his belief true after he was caught using numerous frauRAB and hoaxes, which he refuses to admit that he argued even after the post in which he did is cited and linked.

Creationism isn't about facts and reason or logic. It is about faith and faith you cannot prove. Why do you think the vast majority of books about evolution vs creationism by creationists for sale out there concentrate almost their entire lengths on attacking evolution? Because they cannot prove their own beliefs are true. There are more then a few threaRAB here asking creationists to do what you propose. None of them have anything of value or more then a page or a few posts by creationists.

That approach I suppose will only work with those with weak faith, those willing to actually engage in a honest debate to prove their beliefs true. Those like Arch don't give a rat's *** about proof and will believe despite it contradicting his daily life. How are you suppose to convince them of their falsity of their beliefs when they will perfectly be happy living a lie?
 
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